The Fordspeed Protege?

[BinaryRotary]

actually some of the dashes in Honda's are apparanty made by an american company. My Honda mechanic said this to me with my last Honda. Said there was Ford stickers on the inside of the dash like it was assembled in a Ford plant. first I ever heard of it, haven't heard anything else abou it either.

Ford does own a lot of shares in Honda as well, so I wouldn't doubt it. Yes Honda makes all of it's own stuff though.

I've said it time and time before, and I'll say it again. Ford's relationship with Mazda is and was the only thing preventing me from owning a Mazda earlier. I still will NOT buy one of their shared vehicles...aka, tribute, MPV, B2000 series. They are NOT mazda's in my mind, and the troubles I see people having with them are typical of Ford vehicles.

The Mazda 3, while mostly Mazda, shares a little too much with ford for my taste, and to be honest, I may not buy another Mazda passed this one. I don't want a 4 cyl Mazda 6 ( all Mazda btw ) and I do not want a 6 cyl. Mazda 6 that has anything to do with Ford.

So, your uncle is both right/way wrong. 33% of Mazda is owned by Ford. that's the controlling interest for the Japan market, which means....Ford is the boss.

The ECU, and I think ( rumor warning ) the seatbelts, and airbags are Ford. Seen no proof that the seat belts/bags are Ford yet though. Everything else is all Japanese, built in Japan, and shipped from Japan.

The Mazda3 is 100% Mazda, made in Japan. Just because Ford loves Mazda's chassis, doesnt mean you shouldnt buy it. Thats ******* stupid. You're gonna tell me you feel safe having mitsubishi components in the car? Give me a ******* break.

 

[AutoBox]

it will get to the point that everything except high end cars coming from japanesse companies are gonna be build in the u.s so a u.s company takin dibs isnt gonna be uncommon....few companies now and days work alone....gm attained vtec/vvt technology from honda and honda got access to gm's onstar system no one can work alone and success......live with it

 

[jred321]

Ok, just to be clear. The Probe is the same car as the MX-6. There is no KL-ZE in the U.S., due to emissions reasons. The KL-DE in the Probe is identical to the KL-DE in the MX-6.

if i remember correctly it said "made by mazda for ford motor co" on the door of my probe my probe

 

[snowboy70]

Wow "**** me he's joking around" huh...wtf like I'm ******* psychic and can read the sarcasm in his post. And I didn't say the ECU's programming wasn't crap, but I look at it like this. I'll sit here and talk s*** about my car all day if I want to. But when a jetta owner (or any other car owner) tells me my car is s***, I'm the first one to jump down their throats. It may be a piece of s***, but that's my piece of s***. So **** off.

BTW I have much better things to do than to ***** around on a board that I don't even own that type of car.

Well, I guess uve got to call a help hot line for me too cuz that same exact post said "I wanna die". Oh know, ive got a gun to my head. Im almost pulling the trigger. Almost there. *BANG* You're dead. I wouldn't shoot myself ******!

 

[Newf]

BinaryRotary - dood, come down a few notches will ya. I am only stating my opinion, and I'm not alone in it.

Mazda 3 = 100% Mazda....get real, you know there's something in there that's Ford. Yes, it's built in Japan, thank god.

Feel free to state your opinion and all, but if you want to talk to me in that tone, PM me, leave it off the forum.

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

ford owns something like 20-30% of mazda.

the protege is built in japan with something like 97-98% japanese parts.

i think the ecu, and the seat belt clips are made in america. something like that.

ford owns 33.7% , and yes the protege is about 98% all japanese,but u'll look guess where the ecu is prollly made.....

 

[1sty]

ECU is a ford but mazda programmed.
The alternator is Mitsubishi

 

[BinaryRotary]

BinaryRotary - dood, come down a few notches will ya. I am only stating my opinion, and I'm not alone in it.

Mazda 3 = 100% Mazda....get real, you know there's something in there that's Ford. Yes, it's built in Japan, thank god.

Feel free to state your opinion and all, but if you want to talk to me in that tone, PM me, leave it off the forum.

Well, you best remove your LSD because its made by Fuji Heavy Industries, which makes Subaru, who deals with GM. You better take out your alternator because its made by Mitsubishi who has had ties with Chrysler since the early 80's. It just doesnt make since to NOT purchase a vehicle based on the kinds of guidelines.

 

[Tex]

When I worked for a Chevrolet dealership in the mid 80's, the Chevy Nova was a Toyota Corolla. We called it a Toyolet.

Back when American cars were slumping badly in sales because Japenese cars were superior in every way, the UAW folks put up signs at the American manufacturing plant's employees parking lots that said, "Warning-Do not park your Japanese car here". That always cracked me up because many of those cars were assembled here with at least some US parts.

 

[Dexter]

the Mazda3 is 80% japanese parts and 20% other. 0% american.

 

[ricenudles]

the Mazda3 is 80% japanese parts and 20% other. 0% american.

yea...i was about to say...mazda3 100% japanese? no way. I was at the dealer and read the side sticker on one of the new mazda 3s. it said "80% japanese origin."

btw 1stmp3, is the 33% controlling interest true for all companies in japan? or just car manufacturers (wouldn't make sense if it wasn't but just asking anyways)?

 

[Dexter]

just because it says 0% american doesnt mean the parts cant be made by Ford

 

[YuYuRena]

some more interesting things about auto industry:

subaru is in partnership or somewhat with GM, look who's helping to develop the new saab 9-2.

Mitsu is in parternship with Daimler chrysler. "Engine Alliance"

Toyota's engine is mostly developed by yamaha.

Bently and Mini = BMW
VW used to own Bently
MG Rover used to be = BMW now it's in British hand again.

33.2% or whatever share they own that gets them a controlling share doesn't mean ford gets the final say. it just says that they can put a board member to vote, but the other 66% owners still have the majority to block Ford's wish if they unify together.

Basically nowaday it's too expensive and risky to develop a complete car and try to sell it. Usually they bring in partners to help take on the costs. Look at the Mazda3 and Mazda6 chassis, good example of "partnership."

 

[TurboMan]

I find it somewhat interesting that the airbags on the MSP are supposedly made by Ford. I say this because I think I've seen a couple threads about how there is no known case of the airbags deploying upon impact in the MSP. I recall some guy even driving off a cliff and they didn't deploy.

 

[jred321]

I find it somewhat interesting that the airbags on the MSP are supposedly made by Ford. I say this because I think I've seen a couple threads about how there is no known case of the airbags deploying upon impact in the MSP. I recall some guy even driving off a cliff and they didn't deploy.

http://msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41592

 

[BinaryRotary]

(owned)

 

[spacemonkey]

If the airbag didn't deploy and he or she walked out without a scratch or very minor injuries...then he or she probally didn't need the airbag deployed. Air bags don't go off everytime you hit something. I'm not sure about the science behind it but there are numerous factors that come into play when deploying an airbag. sometimes airbags do more harm then good....especially 1st gen airbags. I remember my neighbor taped a wall in his MR2 and his 1st gen airbag deployed...****** his face up. Thats stuff was like sand paper (well a bit exagerated but it had a pretty rough surface). Note: I've never had an airbag deployed...I always thought it was a semi soft texture. I don't know if it was a defect but that airbag should not have gone off.

But I think I know what you are saying Jred321...are you talking about the spicy orange that rolled down a cliff? I think he walked out unharmed.

 

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Well, you best remove your LSD because its made by Fuji Heavy Industries, which makes Subaru, who deals with GM. You better take out your alternator because its made by Mitsubishi who has had ties with Chrysler since the early 80's. It just doesnt make since to NOT purchase a vehicle based on the kinds of guidelines.

my car is a automotive mutt

 

[splitvizion]

from what i know most companys have american based ties dodge/mitsubishi, ford/mazda, etc. In my opinion as long as it is not touched by Chevy than I am OK with it. Although having a completely imported car would be nice but then we would all have Civics like everybody else. I don't know I like something differant than everybody else on the road and the MSP give me that. Yesterday I saw the first one in Pittsburgh besides mine.

 

[shaolin]

Actually I have a 2001 civic EX that was built in a Canadian manufacturing facility.