Sobering video

ouch!!! the driver looked pretty good until that moment, thats why I prefer to drive about 8/10th max, at the limit anything can happen
 
well at the track you're SUPPOSED to take the to 10/10th of its limit. I thought it was a great piece of driving, he just got a little too carried away in the last turn :rolleyes:

now on the streets, 8/10ths is more than too much, 6-7/10th is more reasonable :D
 
Well atleast he or she walked away...it could have been alot worse and at the end of the day it is just a piece of metal.
They looked AWSOME until that point. Some great driving.
 
ZoomZoomH said:
well at the track you're SUPPOSED to take the to 10/10th of its limit. I thought it was a great piece of driving, he just got a little too carried away in the last turn :rolleyes:

now on the streets, 8/10ths is more than too much, 6-7/10th is more reasonable :D

When you refer to 10th's, what are you refering to?
 
That driver was trying to drift every corner...I don't think that driver was doing that great. I think the driver was trying to show off and say that the little Mitsu was better than the Porsches, Lotus', etc. on the track.

This is my personal opinion, but when you are sliding that means the tires have no traction. No traction equals no control. No control and the car finally flipped.

So much for the car though, the trunk got ripped off.
 
that's the whole point!

that driver IS trying to drift every corner, AND he IS trying to showoff! It's very obvious that the evo dude was doing a driving exhibition/show, because in most cases, drifting is actually NOT the fastest way around a turn.

but it sure looks hella cool!!!! :D (until the last turn that is :D)
 
and about the 10th's

basically it's a way to judge how hard you're pushing the car to its performance limit. 10/10ths means you're driving the car at the brink of losing control, which that Evo driver was doing :)
 
Pretty dramatic video at the end there it's like the titanic is sinking or something... sheeesh!.:rolleyes:

While drifting is an interesting and fun car control exercise I agree with others that it's not the fastest way around the track. Sliding like that only scrubs off speed. There are very few cars that can benefit from using a little bit of loose rear end to get around the track, the 1st gen RX7 happens to be one of them. A four wheel drive Lancer is not. You notice the Lotus' just letting him by. He was obviously driving a little too hard and wild for their taste. He wouldn't be beating those Lotus' that easy.
 
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How do you like those 712's? I have had Kuhmo's on my previous miatas, but haven't tried the 712's.

Kuhmo's are great for the street and I will need to replace my street tires soon, seeing how I am rapidly wearing the stock tires.
 
I like the 712's quite a bit for street tires. I think they're better in the rain than the Dunlops. Plus, the price is right. I don't like them as well for autocross though. That's why I got the V700's.
 
sorta reminded me of the race last night.....watching the WRC and watching the WRX of Tommi Makinen clip a corner wrong...and they went side over side down the road, some spectator caught it on tape.....completely totaled their WRX....obviously they are all done for the rally what was about over anyway....but now they had a DNF.

and they were sooooooooooooo close to first. jsut pushing the limit to catch up....and pushed it just a TAD to far.
 
Whats with the rolling cars?? I saw on another board about a US Spec WRX flipping at a track trying to take a corner to fast.

Will people ever learn? There is a point where the car will out do your skill, and there is a point where your skill will out do the car. The latter is probably the safer option.

If you truly know how to drive, and you know your car, you will be safe 100% of the time, barring any outside factors.
 
I would say Tommi Makinen's skill far outdoes the car.
If there's anybody who can drive at insane speed in adverse conditions safely, it's him.
If we're talking strictly about race driving. Even the best drivers are not safe 100% of the time. Track conditions, mechanical problems, other drivers and unfortunate circumstances that occur because of high speed make sure that you are rarely "safe" by any stretch of the definiton. Nobody is perfect and mistakes happen. When you race you are testing yourself to see how few mistakes you can make and how good you are at correcting those mistakes before they become catastrophic. By it's nature, you are actually putting yurself in a situation where mistakes are more likely to happen or small mistakes are amplified into larger ones. Certainly, there are things you can do when racing to ensure that you are not causing unsafe conditions for others and things you can do to make unsafe conditions a little more safe or predictable.
Don't get me wrong, I like racing and driving fast as long as it's on a proper track and in a controlled environment. I have attended a couple track days and will be attending a couple more next month with my MP3. This is nowhere near a safe activity even with instructors in every car, tech inspections, and constant monitoring of the activities on track. You still ride a foot off the guys bumper in front of you and take turns with your foot buried in the accelerator. People still spin out and, on rare occasion, some dude smacks his car up because he loses focus. It just happens when you're in that environment.
I've heard of dudes flipping their cars at autocrosses, which really shouldn't happen, but it does. The only way to be 100% safe is to never leave the house!
 
StuttersC said:
Whats with the rolling cars?? I saw on another board about a US Spec WRX flipping at a track trying to take a corner to fast.

Will people ever learn? There is a point where the car will out do your skill, and there is a point where your skill will out do the car. The latter is probably the safer option.

If you truly know how to drive, and you know your car, you will be safe 100% of the time, barring any outside factors.

I really disagree with this actually. Tommi Makinen is an awesome driver who just had something unfortunate happen. Stuff like rolling doesn't happen at least in racing necessarily because of a bad driver, but because they went over the edge of what the car can do.

That's really what the best drivers do tho right? They bring the car as close to the edge of the car's performance threshold without going over it(spin out, roll, hit the wall). If they didn't push it to the limit, then they'd never win cuz someone who was willing to put it to the absolute limit would win instead.
 
The WRX wasn't Tommi's, it was some guy at a trackday school...

And the "other factors" I am refering to would include vehicle failure, or somebody elses fubar.
 
StuttersC said:
The WRX wasn't Tommi's, it was some guy at a trackday school...

And the "other factors" I am refering to would include vehicle failure, or somebody elses fubar.

SORRY stuttersC...you are wrong on this one...it WAS Tommi's WRX...we are not talking about the video at the begining of the thread..but rather the FIC WRC race from Argentina....it happened in the next to last stage of the race.

BigBlue...you are oh so right....its what true motor sports tend to be about......pushing the limit of the machine....and you can bet that Tommi's skills are far and above the limit of what the WRX can handle....he was running just 5 1/2 seconds behind the leader with just two stages to go....and had lost 5 of those seconds on the third day....and only two stages to make them up.....he was certainly pushing it....but just a tad to far. oh well....s*** happens in racing. and its drivers like Tommi that can push a car to its limits and come out a winner, and the very reason sponsors like Subaru are willing to fork over the BIG BUCKS for racing programs.
 
Sir Nuke said:


SORRY stuttersC...you are wrong on this one...it WAS Tommi's WRX...we are not talking about the video at the begining of the thread..but rather the FIC WRC race from Argentina....it happened in the next to last stage of the race.
(snip)

YOU might be talking about Tommi's WRX, I am talking about a WRX that flipped at a track day school (and not the Lancer from the video). Last time I checked, the Argetina Rally didn't have a road course with a skid pad in it. And Tommi didn't roll his WRX as the track transitioned into the skid pad...Last time I checked, Tommi's WRX didn't have a full interior with no rollcage, and look like the kind of WRX I could go buy from a Scooby dealer down the street.

So, why are you saying I am wrong, when I'm not even talking about Tommi's WRX?? I didn't even say that the WRX I saw that flipped was a rally car. I believe I said a US spec WRX, exactly like the one you can buy at a Scooby dealer.

Maybe I'm lost or we are all just confused. Did Tommi roll his rally car?? I guess so since that is what you are talking about. I, on the other hand, am not talking about Tommi and his WRX.
 
stutters....guess there is some confusion that is all...

two intertwined converstaions, you said something about a wreck at a track....which blue commented on and then went on to talk about Tommi as were a few previous posts...lol but YES tommi did roll his car...if you have the speed channel....tune into the repeat of the argentina rally that should be on this weekend....Day three should be on Sunday.....and that is when he TOTALLED his WRX .... it got totally tore all to s***!

and if you watch the video REALLY close...its a little fuzzy...its an amature video....you can see as the car is rolling off the road...and it hopping WAY up in the air in the process...it actually goes OVER a spectator....but misses them completely as that is how high in the air the car is....it was pretty nasty wreck.
 

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