Should I trade the 2006 MS6 for a 2010 MS3
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speed 3's or 6's dont hold their value very well. Regardless doesn't matter because the money you would lose on the trade would be more than that.
If your really into racing from rolls or autox than the 3 might make sense. But aside from that I see no advantages. Less refined, less space, FWD, boy racer look, less comfortable, less "unique," etc.
Its a nice car but it is a cheaper car.
If your really into racing from rolls or autox than the 3 might make sense. But aside from that I see no advantages. Less refined, less space, FWD, boy racer look, less comfortable, less "unique," etc.
Its a nice car but it is a cheaper car.
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wtf. the ricers arguing the ms3 is gods gift. and the old farts arguing that the ms6 is more sophisticated. just test drive both and get wtf you want. everyone is bias to what they drive.
qft
SilversunMSP
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Financially it makes no real difference. My MS6 was a Mazda VP car with 2000 mileso n it when I bought it so I got a HUGE discount. I paid 18k or a Black Cherry Sport. I just like the look of the new MS3 where as the MS6 blends in with the base 6 more. I drove the two and the MS6 has much higher handling limits in my humble opinion, mostly due to AWD.
In my mind the 2 cars are very similar and so dropping one for the other is just a poor financial decision assuming there's nothing wrong with OPs Speed6. He'll drop extra dough, and it's not really clear what he'll gain in the exchange... a newer car I guess?
BigDaddyMS3
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Trade-in
If money is not an issue then go for it!
Just change the front bumper and/or get in black. (dance)
If money is not an issue then go for it!
Just change the front bumper and/or get in black. (dance)
mrcardio79
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That's funny seeing as the MS3 is actually quicker around any track both have been tested on.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/45c81efb18f1d-vs-45cafe93295ac.html
mrcardio79
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- 450 fewer pounds
- 7-10% more power being applied to the ground where it belongs
- A smaller more agile vehicle
- A vehicle with far superior passing power / at speed acceleration
- A vehicle with better accommodations for gear, personal items, etc.
- Maybe AWD is more of a burden where you live
This has nothing to do with being "God's gifts to cars" just simple facts that can potentially serve as very valid reasons for possibly making a change.
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Most people don't care about agility. Are you autocrossing or something? 7-10% more power to the wheels? so why are speed 6's putting down similar / even higher #'s than 3's on the dyno? Look at youtube videos and watch speed 6 1/4 mile times. On average they are much lower than speed 3 videos.
To make a good time with a 3 you need great driving and slicks or awesome tires.
Not to mention you can switch from AWD to FWD.
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To the OP, I would suggest keeping the MS6. Yes, I have one, so you may call that bias, but I did drive both and found that the MS6 suited my wants better than the MS3 did. I don't regret that decision, and wouldn't make a somewhat lateral (in the drivetrain sense) move with going to the new MS3.
If you're so stuck on the hoodscoop, then look at a Fiber Images hood. They go for $1300, and you can get that identical look on your MS6 and not get stuck with a new loan for a car.
On the other hand, if you are still considering going to the MS3, you'd lose some things like HIDs, Bose stereo, leather/heated seats (if you have a MS6 GT), etc.
I see a lot of magazine racing about times, but it comes down to what you're comfortable with. The interior in the 3 is going to be noticeably smaller, so that's something else to consider. On the upside, the MS3 seats give you a better bolstering than the MS6 seats do.
If your MS6 is stock, I'd consider looking into some basic mods and seeing if that changes your opinion.
If you're so stuck on the hoodscoop, then look at a Fiber Images hood. They go for $1300, and you can get that identical look on your MS6 and not get stuck with a new loan for a car.
On the other hand, if you are still considering going to the MS3, you'd lose some things like HIDs, Bose stereo, leather/heated seats (if you have a MS6 GT), etc.
I see a lot of magazine racing about times, but it comes down to what you're comfortable with. The interior in the 3 is going to be noticeably smaller, so that's something else to consider. On the upside, the MS3 seats give you a better bolstering than the MS6 seats do.
If your MS6 is stock, I'd consider looking into some basic mods and seeing if that changes your opinion.
mrcardio79
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You can't be serious!
You think the MS6 puts down higher #'s on a DYNO vs. a MS3? Big negative!
We’re talking FWD vs. AWD here. It’s not even close.
1/4 times? No the MS3 isn't exactly suited for running the 1/4 mile yet it still produces better times vs. the MS6. How often to you stop light race anyway?
Nobody cares about agility?? That’s just funny I have nothing to add.
And like I said, the MS3 is much quicker "at speed" which is the type of speed most relay on day to day. Say you're at 40mph and need to accelerate to 80mph quickly, the MS3 will accomplish this much faster.
Weight (450lbs) and power lose via the drive train (FWD ~12% / AWD ~22%) do have a significant effect on performance. This is an undeniable fact.
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Man your pro at taking things out of context. Speed 3 fanboy bashing his own community . . . . sigh. Maybe you should have gotten a civic.
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This is actually quite entertaining.
Well now, both points are valid, and both points have have different values to different people.
On one side, you have those that prefer a sedan to a hatch. Then you have the AWD crowd against the FWD crowd. The "boy racer" versus the "old fart". Well its obvious that both of you drive your cars for different reasons, or rather, you find different kinds of enjoyment from driving your cars.
I can completely agree that the MS3 does not look as "refined" as the MS6, but that is only considering the fact that the 6 is a family sedan that kicks ass minus a flared wing, where as the 3 is a hatch that kicks ass with a flared wing. No one looks twice at my MS3 because it is just another hatch to most people. I might as well be driving a Prius, Fit, or Yaris as far as other drivers are concerned.
I also drive quickly (at speed). I don't go tearing off from stop lights, but on the HWY I will push 80-85 in a 55 zone. Call it reckless, call it what you want, but thats the way I drive, and so does damn near every other car on the HWY around here. And if you think this is excusing the fact that I speed on the HWY, lets see you drive 55 on I-495 around DC. You will be the only one driving that slow, trust me. So, I understand "quickness when you need it."
At the same time, I also don't understand why when someone starts talking performance aspects of a car, all of a sudden he is a "ricer" or "boy racer". How does that work? So, you're saying that because its a performance hatch, it automatically makes its driver a "ricer" or "boy racer"? I just don't see how the association is drawn.
And finally, what defines sophistication? Is sophistication driving something that is more expensive, bigger, more leather? Is sophistication defined by the driver themselves? Is it how they drive, maintain, and present their car?
Everything that has been discussed in this thread is opinion. But, thats what the OP asked for. So, OP, do whatever gives you jollies
but if it were my decision, save ur money, drive the 6. I drove my 240 'till the wheels fell off. It was a '91, I owned it for almost 7 years, drove it daily, and I just got rid of it this past Feb. Oh, but wait, I was a "ricer boy racer" the whole time I was driving it because it was a turbo hatch, so you may not want to go that route...
Well now, both points are valid, and both points have have different values to different people.
On one side, you have those that prefer a sedan to a hatch. Then you have the AWD crowd against the FWD crowd. The "boy racer" versus the "old fart". Well its obvious that both of you drive your cars for different reasons, or rather, you find different kinds of enjoyment from driving your cars.
I can completely agree that the MS3 does not look as "refined" as the MS6, but that is only considering the fact that the 6 is a family sedan that kicks ass minus a flared wing, where as the 3 is a hatch that kicks ass with a flared wing. No one looks twice at my MS3 because it is just another hatch to most people. I might as well be driving a Prius, Fit, or Yaris as far as other drivers are concerned.
I also drive quickly (at speed). I don't go tearing off from stop lights, but on the HWY I will push 80-85 in a 55 zone. Call it reckless, call it what you want, but thats the way I drive, and so does damn near every other car on the HWY around here. And if you think this is excusing the fact that I speed on the HWY, lets see you drive 55 on I-495 around DC. You will be the only one driving that slow, trust me. So, I understand "quickness when you need it."
At the same time, I also don't understand why when someone starts talking performance aspects of a car, all of a sudden he is a "ricer" or "boy racer". How does that work? So, you're saying that because its a performance hatch, it automatically makes its driver a "ricer" or "boy racer"? I just don't see how the association is drawn.
And finally, what defines sophistication? Is sophistication driving something that is more expensive, bigger, more leather? Is sophistication defined by the driver themselves? Is it how they drive, maintain, and present their car?
Everything that has been discussed in this thread is opinion. But, thats what the OP asked for. So, OP, do whatever gives you jollies
but if it were my decision, save ur money, drive the 6. I drove my 240 'till the wheels fell off. It was a '91, I owned it for almost 7 years, drove it daily, and I just got rid of it this past Feb. Oh, but wait, I was a "ricer boy racer" the whole time I was driving it because it was a turbo hatch, so you may not want to go that route...
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Its all opinion. Don't get upset because what matters is what you feel. But the speed 3 is a car geared towards a "boy racer" crowd. That term refers to young guys looking for "cheap" performance. Not ricer by any means. You don't see many 40+ year olds driving that type of car. Go to a mazda meet and see the people who drive speed 3's. Generally younger guys. The speed 6 is "sophisticated" because its a more balanced car in terms of luxury and comfort. The interior is better looking. The exterior is not as "aggressive" either with a quieter exhaust tone. I actually see many more 40+ year olds driving speed 6's here in FL than young people.
_MSprotegy
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so a while back you said that its not all about speed with you, but you wont get off the subject that the "ms3 is a faster car". yeah its a faster car we all know that. now come up with other factors on why it would be a good idea to trade in a speed6 for a speed3.
OK, sophisticated may be a bad word for this thread. Maybe the word should be refined. Because in every description of sophisticated that has been given, refined would fit much better.
And to say that the MS3 it is targeted towards young people is unfair. Maybe in FL you see a younger crowd, but up here, there is no "crowd" at all. Young, old, and everything in between drives speed 3s and regular 3s. Same thing with the 6s around here, there is no target demographic. I could say the same thing that you said about other meets. I went to a Nissan meet last year where there wasn't anyone over 30 in attendance, that doesn't mean that Nissan makes its car for "boy racers". Ok, to me, boy racer is that ugly TRD Celica that came out a while back. The wing on the back of EVOs and STIs is "boy racer". Especially the STIs, that thing isn't even functional. Cobalt SSs are "boy racer". SRT-4s are "boy racer". Sitting next to any of those cars, the MS3 looks like a grocery getter. I still don't see the Speed 3 being "boy racer", but, to each his own. You see your car as "boy racer", I see mine as "sleeper".
I've not been privileged to see the inside of a MS6, I have seen a regular 6. Eh, it being sooo much nicer than the interior of the 3 might be an overstatement. Its nicer, but not like honda to lexus nicer. Besides, I think the interior of my GT is pretty nice. Again, neither of these cars are luxury cars so how much refinement are you really looking for in your interior? Its not an Audi, or Bimmer, or Benz. Its a Mazda.
Like I said though, you like what you like. I drive my MS3 not because I'm some kid who just got his license and wants to race everyone everywhere, but because I got a whole lot of car for my money and liked the styling. Period. If the OP feels that he gets more bang for his buck with the 3, so be it. If the choice were so obvious, I don't think that the OP would have even started the thread. Each vehicle has its up-side, and down-side.
And to say that the MS3 it is targeted towards young people is unfair. Maybe in FL you see a younger crowd, but up here, there is no "crowd" at all. Young, old, and everything in between drives speed 3s and regular 3s. Same thing with the 6s around here, there is no target demographic. I could say the same thing that you said about other meets. I went to a Nissan meet last year where there wasn't anyone over 30 in attendance, that doesn't mean that Nissan makes its car for "boy racers". Ok, to me, boy racer is that ugly TRD Celica that came out a while back. The wing on the back of EVOs and STIs is "boy racer". Especially the STIs, that thing isn't even functional. Cobalt SSs are "boy racer". SRT-4s are "boy racer". Sitting next to any of those cars, the MS3 looks like a grocery getter. I still don't see the Speed 3 being "boy racer", but, to each his own. You see your car as "boy racer", I see mine as "sleeper".
I've not been privileged to see the inside of a MS6, I have seen a regular 6. Eh, it being sooo much nicer than the interior of the 3 might be an overstatement. Its nicer, but not like honda to lexus nicer. Besides, I think the interior of my GT is pretty nice. Again, neither of these cars are luxury cars so how much refinement are you really looking for in your interior? Its not an Audi, or Bimmer, or Benz. Its a Mazda.
Like I said though, you like what you like. I drive my MS3 not because I'm some kid who just got his license and wants to race everyone everywhere, but because I got a whole lot of car for my money and liked the styling. Period. If the OP feels that he gets more bang for his buck with the 3, so be it. If the choice were so obvious, I don't think that the OP would have even started the thread. Each vehicle has its up-side, and down-side.
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