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cthomp21 said:
I mean come on! You see a Pyramid sub that has a 4mm Xmax with 1000w stamped on the cone?!?! Pure lunacy! (rofl)
The best part is that its a perfect match with their amplifier that has 2000 watts stamped on it but only has an 8 gauge power connection. (dark)
 
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cthomp21 said:
I'd almost agree. Point #2 s/b - overpowering w/clean signal = bad (or boom!) (boom05)

Sending a speaker more power than its capable of handling, even if it has no clipping at all, will still damage the speaker.

not necessarily. if you send it too much power at the limits of its frequency response, then yes, you will over exert the speaker. but take say a 5.25" mid-range speaker and set the high pass at 150+ hz and the low pass at 3.5K hz, you can over power it all day long without damaging it. but if you were to try and run the same power to the same speaker but at 60 or 70 hz, yeah, it'll kill it in a very short time. my buddy ran 150 watts to each side of his alpine type R 6.5" components, but was being stupid and tried to get more mid bass out of then than they could handle. about 5 minutes after finishing the install he cooked them. but i'm using an active crossover (audio control 4XS) which feeds into my 4 channel autotek amp that puts out 100x4 at 4 ohms rms. i have 100 watts going to each 5.25" mid range, and 100 watts going to each tweeter. i've had it setup like that for a few months now with no problem. and my setup gets way louder than my buddy's did for that 5 minutes. properly setting things up is the key to overpowering. running 400 watts to a set of components that are rated at 40 watts isn't bad at all(headbang)


but yeah, there is nothing wrong with underpowering a speaker, as long as it's done properly. if you take a 300 watt amp and hook it to a sub that will take well over 500, and clip the hell out of it, you are gonna have problems. for a sub amp you shouldn't go over 9 dB's worth of clipping.
 
1st MP3 in NH said:
The best part is that its a perfect match with there amplifier that has 2000 watts stamped on it but only an 8 gauge power connection. (dark)

Kids just love to eat that stuff up, especially if it's chrome with flames and/or chrome flames!!! (dance)
 
cthomp21 said:
Kids just love to eat that stuff up, especially if it's chrome with flames and/or chrome flames!!! (dance)

has anyone else seen the 15" sub at walmart that has a smaller magnet than most high end 6.5" mid basses?! now that is funny, especially since it's rated at like 500 watts, and when i pushed the cone it moved like 1/4 of an inch:bs:
 
cthomp21 said:
Kids just love to eat that stuff up, especially if it's chrome with flames and/or chrome flames!!! (dance)
I guess it was worse before when they were buying sony amps just becuase it was red and matched their cars. Its like Adam Sandler said, "I painted the duck blue becuase I always wanted to see a blue duck.
 
got wake? said:
not necessarily. if you send it too much power at the limits of its frequency response, then yes, you will over exert the speaker. but take say a 5.25" mid-range speaker and set the high pass at 150+ hz and the low pass at 3.5K hz, you can over power it all day long without damaging it. but if you were to try and run the same power to the same speaker but at 60 or 70 hz, yeah, it'll kill it in a very short time. my buddy ran 150 watts to each side of his alpine type R 6.5" components, but was being stupid and tried to get more mid bass out of then than they could handle. about 5 minutes after finishing the install he cooked them. but i'm using an active crossover (audio control 4XS) which feeds into my 4 channel autotek amp that puts out 100x4 at 4 ohms rms. i have 100 watts going to each 5.25" mid range, and 100 watts going to each tweeter. i've had it setup like that for a few months now with no problem. and my setup gets way louder than my buddy's did for that 5 minutes. properly setting things up is the key to overpowering. running 400 watts to a set of components that are rated at 40 watts isn't bad at all(headbang)


but yeah, there is nothing wrong with underpowering a speaker, as long as it's done properly. if you take a 300 watt amp and hook it to a sub that will take well over 500, and clip the hell out of it, you are gonna have problems. for a sub amp you shouldn't go over 9 dB's worth of clipping.

Frequency is another one of the variables that tends to complicate things. A sub might be able to handle 200w at 70Hz but only 100w @20Hz. Another factory is that a speaker's impedence varies by frequency. It'll never be its rated 4ohms or whatever across the entire range. So, the actual power going into the speaker will vary depending on the frequency of the input signal without ever changing the volume. In addition, (for subs) the enclosure will greatly influence both of the factors I just mentioned. It can get very complicated very fast. (crazy)

But.... You've hit the nail on the head. Proper setup and choosing the correct equipment to work together is the key. In your case, you're only sending the components frequencies they can handle at the 100w level, so you're set.

Your buddy tried sending them frequencies below their limits at high power levels ---- Sizzle......... (doh)
 
cthomp21 said:
Your buddy tried sending them frequencies below their limits at high power levels ---- Sizzle......... (doh)
Thats the good thing about distortion. Almost any problem is audible via distortion. There is no way those alpines weren't crying before they died. I ran a set of MB quart componets with 150 rms per set and they ran with no problems for 2 years. However, the crossover was set to 120 hz and I always was mind full of ditortion.
 
1st MP3 in NH said:
Thats the good thing about distortion. Almost any problem is audible via distortion. There is no way those alpines weren't crying before they died. I ran a set of MB quart componets with 150 rms per set and they ran with no problems for 2 years. However, the crossover was set to 120 hz and I always was mind full of ditortion.


hehehe, you guys should have heard the distortion i put my old pioneer speakers through when i hooked them up to my autotek mean machine 330MXi to fry them(headbang) 2 of them actually caught fire;) good thing i had the service plan from best buy(upyours)
 
cthomp21 said:
Kids just love to eat that stuff up, especially if it's chrome with flames and/or chrome flames!!! (dance)


hmmm sounds like your mentioning a certain company that has sub par equipment but one great marketing department.
 
sndsgood said:
hmmm sounds like your mentioning a certain company that has sub par equipment but one great marketing department.

No, not Bose. ;)


My favorite saying: No highs, no lows.... Must be Bose!!!
 
sndsgood said:
hmmm sounds like your mentioning a certain company that has sub par equipment but one great marketing department.
Its unfortunit that what you just said describes atleast 50% of the car audiio industry. I hate this gimic over function crap.
 
1st MP3 in NH said:
Its unfortunit that what you just said describes atleast 50% of the car audiio industry. I hate this gimic over function crap.

yeah, JL is the worst for that. mentioning all their patents and crap like that. all the stuff that doesn't make it look pretty(upyours)
 
I bet you JL would sell 10x more than they do now (which would be some feat) if they just made their face plates chrome with a flaming JL logo and dropped their prices 10%...and started selling their stuff at CC and BB. Hell...I bet if they just started selling at CC and BB it would allow them to drop their prices because they'd have a larger market to work with...but then they'd turn into another one of those companies that's just out for moo-la, right? And everything would start sucking...
 

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