MS6 Forged shortblock on its way!!

[chriscecc914]

I'm not so sure on the spool time...

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the turbo has to blow boost all the way down the hot pipe through the cooler and all the way up the cold pipe to the throttle body. This will cause less spool time then the air going directly into the tmic and directly to the t/b. Post a dyno sheet with your same mods and a 3.5 TMIC, not a stock one.

 

[Dragon Queen]

are you doing anything to the cylinder head & intake manifoild?
how about the throttle body?

just curious

The Throttle body should be bored out to 60mm, intake manifold doesn't really matter in this case as ours is pretty stout. Same with the Cylinder head..

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

the driveline will be getting upgraded as well...

your rear diff is going to break, LONG before you need a new driveline (scratch)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

are you doing anything to the cylinder head & intake manifoild?
how about the throttle body?

just curious

stay tuned...

Any rod available for the 2.3 will work, you will just have to machine the crank to fit. And nobody start saying you are stupid if you machine the crank, big dog vipers do it all the time. I know of a twin turbo viper that had it done and runs strong. If you have a good machinist, anything can be made to work right.

pauter machine swears that the 2.3 standard rods will not work, just an FYI

 

[mayaman]

How long will Protege Garage be offering this upgrade? Is this a good idea even if one plans on using the 3071 turbo rather than the 3076? This engine thing may be a good way to spend some of my Christmas bonus... (birthday)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

we will be building engines for as long as there is a demand

 

[chriscecc914]

How long will Protege Garage be offering this upgrade? Is this a good idea even if one plans on using the 3071 turbo rather than the 3076? This engine thing may be a good way to spend some of my Christmas bonus... (birthday)

as easy as my rod snapped in half at 3/4 throttle and at 4000rpm, im sure it could happen to guys running the 3071r and the high hp stock turbo. The rods are so thin in this car, dont say "if your motors going to blow", ask "when is it going to blow?".

Its been a long time without my daily driver and if built motors were available before i blew my motor I would be back on the road by now.

 

[ssinstaller]

What would the just the internals cost(pistons, rings, rods, bearings, studs)--for those of us who havent tanked our stock block and crank??

 

[chriscecc914]

What would the just the internals cost(pistons, rings, rods, bearings, studs)--for those of us who havent tanked our stock block and crank??

www.protegegarage.com or give them a call

 

[jbspeed6]

as easy as my rod snapped in half at 3/4 throttle and at 4000rpm, im sure it could happen to guys running the 3071r and the high hp stock turbo. The rods are so thin in this car, dont say "if your motors going to blow", ask "when is it going to blow?".

Its been a long time without my daily driver and if built motors were available before i blew my motor I would be back on the road by now.

Hmm, my motor has held up pretty well over the 15000 miles that I have had the turbo on my car. Your right, it *could* blow, but I doubt it. Of course I also have a boost guage.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

Hmm, my motor has held up pretty well over the 15000 miles that I have had the turbo on my car. Your right, it *could* blow, but I doubt it. Of course I also have a boost guage.

rofl (2thumbs) +1 for guage

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Hmm, my motor has held up pretty well over the 15000 miles that I have had the turbo on my car. Your right, it *could* blow, but I doubt it. Of course I also have a boost guage.

you also have the 3071 vs his 3076. of course, not having a boost gauge does not help the situation however the difference between the two turbos is bigger than many people think.

 

[chriscecc914]

ATP said that my kit came with an 18psi wastegate so I'm thinking either the wastegate malfunctioned or the cause of my motor blowing was not overboost related. Anyways, ATP is sending me a 12-14psi wastegate for my new setup so I will be able to increase boost with a MBC and not have to worry about the boost being set to high from the get go.

 

[cherryspeed]

ATP said that my kit came with an 18psi wastegate so I'm thinking either the wastegate malfunctioned or the cause of my motor blowing was not overboost related. Anyways, ATP is sending me a 12-14psi wastegate for my new setup so I will be able to increase boost with a MBC and not have to worry about the boost being set to high from the get go.

Or....
You could get an ems, put it on a dyno and tune it for all the mods you have?!?!?!?!

 

[chriscecc914]

the 18 psi wastegate may be broken on my setup because even without a tune it shouldnt have blown my motor. Im waiting for a better ems to be produced

 

[forrestang]

As said before, the turbo itself had little to nothing to do with this motor popping. An EMS would not have saved it.......

 

[acidbug]

As said before, the turbo itself had little to nothing to do with this motor popping. An EMS would not have saved it.......

Dude..becareful how you say that.

In all honesty..a good tune can mean the difference between a blown engine & years of reliability.

In this particular case..with chriseco..the chances are..that the oem tune isn't what hurt him..rather an unknown amount of boost.

With EMS (cpe for example) he would have been able to adjust/monitor boost levels as well as keep his motor alive.

Something to think about.

-C(doughpoke

 

[Koenig]

yeah man if you happen to find someone to do up some rear axles for you, don't forget to post WHO and for how much.......


as far as the fuel system...... I've heard of some people looking at the audi upgrades...... supposedly the stock fuel system of the A4 or TT (i forgot which it was supposed to be) is similar to that of the MS6

though I can't tell you for certain......... might take a look at it, if it's true it'll definitely open up some opportunities for ya

 

[cherryspeed]

As said before, the turbo itself had little to nothing to do with this motor popping. An EMS would not have saved it.......

Come on Forrest, I didn't say it was the turbo's fault.
And an ems and a tune would most definately have saved this engine. Not because it required chages to the fuel system to keep it safe, but because putting it on the dyno with an ems would have allowed him to monitor his afr and boost, as well as giving him control of the boost. These actions should have kept him out of harms way.
Dont' want to get into a pissing match, just trying to clear up my point.

 

[Koenig]

the 18 psi wastegate may be broken on my setup because even without a tune it shouldnt have blown my motor. Im waiting for a better ems to be produced

I don't know about broken........ I remember your other thread and P5freek said that when he got his wastegate he had it tested and found out it was set to what.......23 psi? and he had to have it tuned down or whatever?

Seems like ATP is tuning the wastegates in a way that registers 18 psi for them, but 20+ psi when it's actually on the car?

....... if your wastegate was defective from factory can you get it tested and possibly have ATP either

1. pay for your engine

or at least

2. have them develop a better way of testing the wastegates if it turns out your wastegate is fine, but actually set at a high psi?