MPI or something else??

[apocman]

and bigger injectors do not make them better...

also when you use the extra injector setup you get extra fuel and cool the charged air, so its an intercooler sprayer as well... and tell me how easy is it to get inspection with standalone, I hear alot of people praise them, but I know for a fact there are some of them who are keeping quiet on the problems they are having with them...

 

[Mr. Win]

I understand all EMS/Piggybacks have their drawbacks, but until one other EMS/Piggyback can show real-world dynos or qauter mile times that match beat or exceed the MPI, which as far as I know nobody has been able to do yet. Then the MPI is the WHP and QM Time king!!!

also you can get the MPI for $580 shipped and extra rail setup for $285 shipped, if you work with Nick

I think you'll be happy with any EMS/Piggyback system you choose, but MPI is fact proven king until others can beat it...

Disclaimer somebody may have, but I haven't seen it yet

Umm pretty sure PHaudio has beat that with haltech.

 

[Mr. Win]

What are you asking? Sorry i think being able to control you injectors is an important qaulity.

and bigger injectors do not make them better...

also when you use the extra injector setup you get extra fuel and cool the charged air, so its an intercooler sprayer as well... and tell me how easy is it to get inspection with standalone, I hear alot of people praise them, but I know for a fact there are some of them who are keeping quiet on the problems they are having with them...

 

[apocman]

where is his data?

Umm pretty sure PHaudio has beat that with haltech.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

mpi

Mpi for sure . Man this thing is like night and day I have had no promblems at all . None what so ever . The only thing THAT IS HOLDING ME BACK IS THE STOCK RODS . Ian getting ready for another Dallas trip next month to dyno it . If i dont break 230 plus i will blow this f..ker up trying . I have raced alot of cars with a lot more than 230 whp and spank them . So yea Mpi is KING . Apoc hows the rebuild going .

 

[Mr. Win]

Fastest F/I MSP- Focus- 12.949 @ 112.262mph

Fastest F/I P5- Juan (Hiboost)- 12.5 @ 112 MPH at 20psi

Fastest F/I MP3- Pdhaudio83 - 12.788 @ 112.68 at 16psi

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95491&

Thats how it sits right now... search for detailed info

 

[daedalus]

I understand all EMS/Piggybacks have their drawbacks, but until one other EMS/Piggyback can show real-world dynos or qauter mile times that match beat or exceed the MPI, which as far as I know nobody has been able to do yet. Then the MPI is the WHP and QM Time king!!!

also you can get the MPI for $580 shipped and extra rail setup for $285 shipped, if you work with Nick

I think you'll be happy with any EMS/Piggyback system you choose, but MPI is fact proven king until others can beat it...

Disclaimer somebody may have, but I haven't seen it yet

All i know is that i had to spend 1170 bucks when i got all of my s*** not 5 months ago...

And when you factor in the 100 bucks for two new injectors (the kind nick reccommends) your still up to 965.00

MPI has been beaten for "the most HP" game for a while now... however its not like anyone has run one system and then switch ems's to document the gains/losses so its really a mute argument to begin with. My microtech dyno numbers will be posted tommorow...

 

[Moeed]

You have a lot of options. Steve is a good guy and I've personally worked with Nick and he is great too. Just remember, that with any ems system, you will have to tune. Some you will have to tune more than the other like the standalone (cold start is one I can think of right off). Both have their strong points and weaknesses, but the fact of the matter is that you have options.

 

[daedalus]

well put. Steve does have map corrections for cold starts allready laid out... so it shouldnt be that bad.

 

[wicked]

Fastest F/I MSP- Focus- 12.949 @ 112.262mph

Fastest F/I P5- Juan (Hiboost)- 12.5 @ 112 MPH at 20psi

Fastest F/I MP3- Pdhaudio83 - 12.788 @ 112.68 at 16psi

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95491&

Thats how it sits right now... search for detailed info

I know Juan and Pdhaudiio are useing the Haltech,so technicly the 2 fastest proteges are haltech powered.

not sure what focus is useing.

 

[Mr. Win]

focus is mpi

 

[03.5MSP]

Anyone know what kind of injectors Focus is running, any more info on his car would be helpfull.

 

[BradC]

also when you use the extra injector setup you get extra fuel and cool the charged air, so its an intercooler sprayer as well...

i know what you mean, but you are not "spraying the IC" w/an EIC. I think you mean to infer that gains can be comparable to h2o/methanol injection kits (aquamist, etc)

 

[Focus]

I know Juan and Pdhaudiio are useing the Haltech,so technicly the 2 fastest proteges are haltech powered.

not sure what focus is useing.

I use the MPI with 4 extra 440 injectors. As far as pdhaudio goes I call bulls*** !

BTW I trap 121 MPH on the quarter now, so technically it is faster than the other two.

 

[MPNick]

Buy an EIC and J&S... samething.

How is this true?

We have a built in fuel clamp. How do you clamp with this setup?

We have a built in O2 clamp. How do you clamp?

We do data logging. Does your set?

We have duel mapping. Can you?

We have a built in AFR meter. Does yours?

 

[MPNick]

MPI is a great system, but in my opinion the value just isnt there anymore. after you drop 660 bucks on the unit, and 320 bucks on the aux. injector support you will need to hit 300whp, you have spent 980.00 and are still using a piggyback and having to deal with the stock ecu which is a ******* ***** and a half.

Microtech standalone = 999.99 right now, and includes a MAP sensor. Do the math, spend 19 more dollars and dont ever have to worry about upgrading your EMS ever again. Also, with the microtech, if you ever wanted to part out your car and tune another vehicle, its a standalone so you can reuse it, the mpi wont just work with anything...

Just my thoughts. Both are great systems, i just feel that the MPI doesnt have the value it used to. Based off your goals, standalone would be best.

Well until someone can post a real dyno sheet, this is only talk.


As for other car, we install the MPI on BMWs of all years, Fords of all years, 911s, 944s, 944 turbos, Viper RT10, GTS and the SRT10, the Corvette all years, WRX and the STI, Hondas and the Mini of all years. This is just some of the cars but not all of them. So you can remove it and install it on your next car.

Now what about being street legel? What about removing the stock ECM? Is anybody with a real dyno sheet making 340 plus torque to the wheels at 15psi?

The only people who are fighting the stock ECU are not tuning the MPI right or you still have something wrong with your car.

 

[MPNick]

Your right... im more with dadelus on this one, the value is just not there. MPI cant control bigger injectors, so you have to add a fuel rail or an AUX setup. The interface is odd, from what ive played with. In order to get it to work right you have to do some odd things with it.

Dont get me wrong its had sucess but for what most people want i think there are better ways about it and if you looking to run anything above 280ish standalone would be better.

Yes you can control bigger injectors, it is just not the best way to go.

Why is 280 nedded a standalone when more people are doing it with the MPI?

Where are all of the better running standalones on this forum making more power then MPI cars?

 

[daedalus]

Well until someone can post a real dyno sheet, this is only talk.


As for other car, we install the MPI on BMWs of all years, Fords of all years, 911s, 944s, 944 turbos, Viper RT10, GTS and the SRT10, the Corvette all years, WRX and the STI, Hondas and the Mini of all years. This is just some of the cars but not all of them. So you can remove it and install it on your next car.

Now what about being street legel? What about removing the stock ECM? Is anybody with a real dyno sheet making 340 plus torque to the wheels at 15psi?

The only people who are fighting the stock ECU are not tuning the MPI right or you still have something wrong with your car.

I wasnt aware of the cross platform capability. Very intresting. Glad you pointed that out. My stock ECM remains in my car for certain operations, like tach functions, etc... so it hasnt been removed. I will be more than glad to post up my dyno numbers tommorow at 4pm when i get home. However, i want you to realize that i'm running a bone stock t25r, and if i remember correctly your dyno #'s were using a modified turbo, so its not exactly apples to apples. Please understand i'm not trying to start somekind of bash war here, i'm more than sure i wont be making 340tq bc the turbo just doesnt have that kind of give, but i am intrested to see the results.

 

[MPNick]

I know Juan and Pdhaudiio are useing the Haltech,so technicly the 2 fastest proteges are haltech powered.

not sure what focus is useing.

Dyno sheets?

 

[MPNick]

i want you to realize that i'm running a bone stock t25r, and if i remember correctly your dyno #'s were using a modified turbo, so its not exactly apples to apples. Please understand i'm not trying to start somekind of bash war here, i'm more than sure i wont be making 340tq bc the turbo just doesnt have that kind of give, but i am intrested to see the results.

This is more to my point.

We ran a very small turbo when you compare it to some of the other cars that people point out with other EMS systems. So maybe they made more whp, maybe. But we made alot of torque along with whp. So yes it is not apples to apples, it works both ways.