MPI or something else??
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I know i know there is no dyno sheet, but i have no reason to belive hes lying... And no its definatly not a street turbo, damn thing is a GT35, not even the GT30's... soooo.
I am curious though, i was reading on your dyno posts, that your turbo had a gt28 comp wheel. What does that push potenial output up to? Around 375? I'm only curious because it seems like a cheaper alternative to getting a new snail. As far as i know though, no one has broken 300hp on a stock turbo yet. So i dont plan on breaking any records. Im just going to be happy to have a powerband that extends past a fuel cut a 4500rpms!
I am curious though, i was reading on your dyno posts, that your turbo had a gt28 comp wheel. What does that push potenial output up to? Around 375? I'm only curious because it seems like a cheaper alternative to getting a new snail. As far as i know though, no one has broken 300hp on a stock turbo yet. So i dont plan on breaking any records. Im just going to be happy to have a powerband that extends past a fuel cut a 4500rpms!
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Alot of my questions have been answered. I think I will stick with the MPI. I'm not saying the standalones like microtech and AEM suck, cause they deff dont. I just dont want to go through the hassle of emissions and tuning the standalone. If Focus can run that kind of power with the MPI why cant I. This will be a daily driven car, and a standalone I personally thinkjust wouldnt be the way for me.
daedalus- I'm not disagreeing with you on mircotech, and how easy and user friendly it is. I just think its not the right path for me. It appears that you have made good decisions in the past and the mircotech will suit you well. With it installed and tuned I have no doubt that your msp will endup beaing one of the best on the forums, and your msp is sick as it is. Please keep us posted and let us know how evrything goes.
daedalus- I'm not disagreeing with you on mircotech, and how easy and user friendly it is. I just think its not the right path for me. It appears that you have made good decisions in the past and the mircotech will suit you well. With it installed and tuned I have no doubt that your msp will endup beaing one of the best on the forums, and your msp is sick as it is. Please keep us posted and let us know how evrything goes.
I wasnt the fastest but I can assure you the MPI will do the work just fine. I dynoed 224whp @ 10psi daily use, 4 extra injectors with some issues with leaks.
I already blew 2 engines on MPI because I was running just over mechanical limits.
Its not full controll, but the unit does the job. With the right components, you can do any WHP if done right.
But, if you want to have True FULL CONTROL, you want to know what the EMS is doing and how the engine is responding, you will need Standalone, and for that you need a good tunner.
I already blew 2 engines on MPI because I was running just over mechanical limits.
Its not full controll, but the unit does the job. With the right components, you can do any WHP if done right.
But, if you want to have True FULL CONTROL, you want to know what the EMS is doing and how the engine is responding, you will need Standalone, and for that you need a good tunner.
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Heres his dyno for 15psi AF 11.3 it made 296.6whp and 275.6ftq:
I dont know where the dyno is for 18psi but he dyno'd
18psi AF 11.8 it made 352.4whp and 349.7ftq (100 Octane)
I explained what i meant about samething. You and I both know how cheap most the members on this forum are thus why the MPI is more used. Its not a bad product i just dont feel its the best option. My personal opinion. Im not knocking the work you do because ive seen it and it works and i know several people that are very happy with your work. The values for the injectors never made sense to me but i understand that its not best to do it that way.
And focus those times were legit, i dont know where it was posted but its on the forum.
I dont know where the dyno is for 18psi but he dyno'd
18psi AF 11.8 it made 352.4whp and 349.7ftq (100 Octane)
I explained what i meant about samething. You and I both know how cheap most the members on this forum are thus why the MPI is more used. Its not a bad product i just dont feel its the best option. My personal opinion. Im not knocking the work you do because ive seen it and it works and i know several people that are very happy with your work. The values for the injectors never made sense to me but i understand that its not best to do it that way.
And focus those times were legit, i dont know where it was posted but its on the forum.
igdrasil said:
Totally agree, dont go into this blind, and learn from matthew. If you problems with your car fix them first before looking to boost more or messing with your ecu, it will create more problems.
I would not tune the MPI with an extra injector setup esp. if your worried about being complicated.
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Mpi is the best for the money , My mpi tuned msp is kicking alot of ass around here . Nick sponser me a motor and let me get some big numbers for ya . F..k this iam going to Dallas and dyno my f/// car and prove to all what the mpi can do on stock motor and stock turbo . And alkl this with no no no promblems , no relaearning no com issue at all I have had zero issues . I run 11 1/2 psi daily 100 degree weather or 60 degree weather i do lean out sme in the heat and richen up in the cold normal though . Pulls like a freight train and puts a smile on my face every time. i can timagine what the built motor guys cars feel like . So lets end this thread here Mpi is the best for the money . (thumb)
Mpi is the best for the money , My mpi tuned msp is kicking alot of ass around here . Nick sponser me a motor and let me get some big numbers for ya . F..k this iam going to Dallas and dyno my f/// car and prove to all what the mpi can do on stock motor and stock turbo . And alkl this with no no no promblems , no relaearning no com issue at all I have had zero issues . I run 11 1/2 psi daily 100 degree weather or 60 degree weather i do lean out sme in the heat and richen up in the cold normal though . Pulls like a freight train and puts a smile on my face every time. i can timagine what the built motor guys cars feel like . So lets end this thread here Mpi is the best for the money . (thumb)
SenorCorwin said:
Why is the dyno sheet not in SAE? Dean made more whp and torque at SAE, with the same factor as that sheet he was way more. Something like 75 more torque to the ground and much lower in the RPMs. Where is the dyno files like we posted? Lets show real dyno facts.
My brother sent me a link that has a conversation between two well respected (I'm assuming) Silvia tuners and a Garrett turbo designer and they were talking in this thread about modifying the GT25R/T25R the same way Nick does with his stage 1 setup and they had 440whp at the wheels. The Garrett turbo designer was originally brought on by the tuners who thought the Disco Potatoe (DP) was the way to go, but in the end they got mad becuase the Garret guy agreed with the other side, that to many people over look the potential out of the GT25R/T25R turbo. He stated "they may not be the best marriage when looking at a compressor maps, but bang for buck it was the way to go" and don't forget Nick can do a stage 2 upgrade on it as well. The Garrett designer also talked about that setup as well.
So basically no matter what EMS/Piggyback setup and turbo setup anyone of us chooses, it will be the right choice for us. As long as the items will work on our cars and we tune them right and enjoy what we have, that is how you know you made the right choice.
So basically no matter what EMS/Piggyback setup and turbo setup anyone of us chooses, it will be the right choice for us. As long as the items will work on our cars and we tune them right and enjoy what we have, that is how you know you made the right choice.
daedalus said:
YES!!!!! you must make sure you start with a good platform and have no issues with your car before adding anyform of EMS/PB or it will just bring the problems out more...
As far as extra injectors and tuning with the MPI it easy as can be... I mean after you learn how to use the MPI of course, but I would think there would be a learning curve with any unit...
I think people should just simply call all of our vendors talk to each one and review the products and talk to members who them and then make the choice of who you want to go with.
For example for those who do not wish to or have the time to, may not one something like any of the mentioned EMS/PB. they want something like the Unichip or something that they can install by plugging it in and then forget about it...
As far as extra injectors and tuning with the MPI it easy as can be... I mean after you learn how to use the MPI of course, but I would think there would be a learning curve with any unit...
I think people should just simply call all of our vendors talk to each one and review the products and talk to members who them and then make the choice of who you want to go with.
For example for those who do not wish to or have the time to, may not one something like any of the mentioned EMS/PB. they want something like the Unichip or something that they can install by plugging it in and then forget about it...
SenorCorwin said:
The J&S can be setup with a MAF clamp and an O2 clamp, you just have to tell John and he will set it up that way. He can also make it other things as well. The J&S is a very good product, but I think people need to rethink about how they view the J&S. It is a performance enhancer by the following reasons.
I use the J&S inconjuction with the MPI and I truly beileve that it is a super combo!!!!
The MPI allows for me to tune my car the J&S allows for the MPI to kick even more ass by controlling knock defense on the fly, per cylinder and puts it back as soon as it safe all of this stuff happening in micro-seconds (if you will) So with the J&S and the MPI I have more confindence in my setup and I have a more robust setup that allows for me to push the razors edge (disclaimer: you can still get cut)
the J&S can't do data logging, but that is why I have the MPI
The J&S doesn't use maps since it is a dynamic fucntioning product, but it does have certian levels of setup capabilities and the J&S can do AFR readings to an extent using the optional dual guage which has the knock guage and an AFR guage that allows for you to adjust how it reads AFR...
So with all of that said, I would buy the following and I have done so!!!
MPI
MPNick stage 1 turbo upgrade
MPNick extra injectors setup
J&S dual channel Ultra Safeguard with dual guage knock/AFR readings
and a s*** load of other goodies
I use the J&S inconjuction with the MPI and I truly beileve that it is a super combo!!!!
The MPI allows for me to tune my car the J&S allows for the MPI to kick even more ass by controlling knock defense on the fly, per cylinder and puts it back as soon as it safe all of this stuff happening in micro-seconds (if you will) So with the J&S and the MPI I have more confindence in my setup and I have a more robust setup that allows for me to push the razors edge (disclaimer: you can still get cut)
the J&S can't do data logging, but that is why I have the MPI
The J&S doesn't use maps since it is a dynamic fucntioning product, but it does have certian levels of setup capabilities and the J&S can do AFR readings to an extent using the optional dual guage which has the knock guage and an AFR guage that allows for you to adjust how it reads AFR...
So with all of that said, I would buy the following and I have done so!!!
MPI
MPNick stage 1 turbo upgrade
MPNick extra injectors setup
J&S dual channel Ultra Safeguard with dual guage knock/AFR readings
and a s*** load of other goodies
MPNick said:
MPNick said:
I was told by Beau something like "SAE doesn't take into account the efficiency of the IC"
I think I have the SAE graph of that run somewhere, and I know I have the winpep file on my home computer (I'm in Vegas right now though)
if you really want it I could dig up the SAE graph of that run, but iirc it was pretty close anyways.. like -3 peak hp, and -4 peak tq. I couldn't tell you about the curve, just the peak, and thats if my memory serves.
I'll look for it. just bear in mind that the model dynojet will play a factor in this as well... what model do you run on Nick?
ok, I found it. I had uploaded it before in a thread I guess...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/RyanJayG/dynos/run30SAE.jpg
I dont have the file for pat's 18 psi run, but the 12.788 is no lie, the snapshot of the slip is in the fastest MSP's thread
http://www.msprotege.com/members/RyanJayG/dynos/run30SAE.jpg
I dont have the file for pat's 18 psi run, but the 12.788 is no lie, the snapshot of the slip is in the fastest MSP's thread
oh, and one more thing... for the money you (the thread starter) is wanting to spend, get the MPI. there is a broad user base on the forums for support, and as long as Nick keeps the internal components consistant (which I believe is the case now) then you could run someone else's map with only minor tweaks
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I cant belive I just read all that. I think you all just need to shut the hell up the guy that started this thread said a page or two ago that he made his choice and thanked you all for answering his questions. Now lets all go back to being happy again.
We are talking Adam, not arguing!!!! and no one is mad ???? it's called a friendly debate mixed with a little passion and some self serving statements for good measure!!!!
you know like a good love story or juicy novel that you like to curl up in bed to before the wife beats you down....
I'm pulling your man-card for a two week suspension for being to e'mo for this thread...
now go back into the kitchen and cook the wifey a lovely meal before she gets home and decides to hit you, you battered husband, you
P.S. I left my cell phone at home !!!! ahhhhhhhhh!!! I'm going crazy!!!!!
you know like a good love story or juicy novel that you like to curl up in bed to before the wife beats you down....
I'm pulling your man-card for a two week suspension for being to e'mo for this thread...
now go back into the kitchen and cook the wifey a lovely meal before she gets home and decides to hit you, you battered husband, you
P.S. I left my cell phone at home !!!! ahhhhhhhhh!!! I'm going crazy!!!!!
