I agree with you Denim, which is why I stipulated "high-volume". Perhaps I needed to be more clear that volume was reference to sales, not loudness. JL Audio is an excellent brand but I don't think their revenue comes close to that of Alpine, Pioneer, Sony, and other mega companies. JL's prices are overall higher and someone new to car audio who doesn't consider themselves an audiophile doesn't necessarily need to pay the premium. Eclipse was an excellent brand for a time period. I wouldn't have purchased any of their amps (better offering from other brands at the price point) but I have owned their subwoofers, component speakers, and head units in the past and never had problems. Their aluminum and titanium cone subwoofers were top of the line when they first came out, and man could they punch!