Mazdaspeed to P5 brakes

[Mazda P5 driver]

I called the dealer and talked to my sales dude and I asked him about upgrading brakes. he says, which we already know, that changing out the stock brakes for other stuff will void the warranty for the barkers. He also mentioned something about Mazda doing the labor, nothing much was said about that. Brakes are a routine maintenance kind of a thing, but it does affect other parts of the car. I then asked him about swapping out for Mazdaspeed brakes since it is all Mazda parts. He said he didn't think the warranty would be an issue then. Of course I will look into it and I'm sure he will too. It's all factory parts and I'm sure they can get everything that is needed easily.

The question is...what EXACTLY would I need to put the Mazdaspeed brakes onto the P5?

I searched and found that a master cylinder may need to be installed. Would the Speeds be a direct replacement? Rotors, pads and calipers as well right? Anyone know the costs of the parts either by vendor or dealer?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

you would need a new master cylinder, new rotors, new pads, new calipers. working at the dealer i can assure you that parts alone will push this job over $1000.

i can get you a set of hawk brake pads and all four slotted rotors which i use on my car - works excellent, for less than $500 and offer equal if not better braking than the mazda parts (which originally are from a 626)

 

[WRCprotege]

theres a wrecked one here in town 03.5 msp.. the brakes are still on the car last i checked as i was thinking of them for myself.. the guy wanted $100 for the calipers, i didnt know that the rotors and master cylinder would have to be replaced, though i could find out how much for all those parts if you like..

 

[JCell]

r u sure about the master cylynder having to be replaced as well?

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

r u sure about the master cylynder having to be replaced as well?

I have no clue man. I was searching archives and I think someone said something about a bigger master.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

theres a wrecked one here in town 03.5 msp.. the brakes are still on the car last i checked as i was thinking of them for myself.. the guy wanted $100 for the calipers, i didnt know that the rotors and master cylinder would have to be replaced, though i could find out how much for all those parts if you like..

naw, just doing homework so I know when the time comes.

 

[JCell]

I have no clue man. I was searching archives and I think someone said something about a bigger master.

my bad, i was asking the Captain

 

[Captain KRM P5]

r u sure about the master cylynder having to be replaced as well?

pretty sure its different.

you can also keep your stock brakes and do the 929 brake master cylinder swap as well for better brake performance

 

[GOZA5]

Hey p5 driver. Seriously though, the dealership will cost you a friggin bundle for the brake upgrade. There are sites that offer bigger brakes for the p5. I believe I've seen slotted and drilled type brakes. In reading about the brakes, it didn't mention on changing the master cylinder, etc.. Do you need the bigger brakes because your ride has gobbs of hp that the stock ones don't do the job, or is it for show? It doesn't really matter to me, but I think the stock 4 wheel disc brakes does a great job. Anyway, good luck!

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

Hey p5 driver. Seriously though, the dealership will cost you a friggin bundle for the brake upgrade. There are sites that offer bigger brakes for the p5. I believe I've seen slotted and drilled type brakes. In reading about the brakes, it didn't mention on changing the master cylinder, etc.. Do you need the bigger brakes because your ride has gobbs of hp that the stock ones don't do the job, or is it for show? It doesn't really matter to me, but I think the stock 4 wheel disc brakes does a great job. Anyway, good luck!

Just to do it.

I will have to do some brakes checks to really see how much braking I do have. The Proxes 4 do a pretty good job of sticking. I agree though, the stocks are pretty good, but I figured what is the harm in upgrading? I like the force when braking and a little extra would be welcome. Not for cosmetics. An 11" disk isn't a monster brake rotor. I have considered a wheel with wider tire change as well. But since I don't need them i'm not considerign at the moment. Should the time come for brakes, I want to know my options.

In my defense though....CAI, ecu's etc is a waste of money for the Protege. 15hp just doesn't do justice for throwing a warranty out the window. If I wanted a 200hp car I would have gotten one. Rest assured, if it is too expensive, I will either go to the Mazda 3 or the new future designed WRX.

 

[Brian MP5T]

How much is diferent on the MPS brake system. I got some Speed Bleeders today for my car but they do not fit. They are for the MSP I'm thinking...

 

[flat_black]

The MSP and Protege5 master cylinder are exactly identical. I had my stock one out a while ago (Swapped for a 929 1" cylinder), and it was the exact same as Bill's, who had me help him do a swap to a 929 cylinder as well. Just as an FYI.

The MSP's brake rotors are slightly larger in diameter, and the calipers are slightly larger, as well. They're sourced from a 626, as previously mentioned, and the rears are specific units, but based heavily off of the RX7's (FC, I beleive) calipers.

 

[Pro03]

Not to add disinformation, but I thought that the rear calipers were the same as the stock MP3 and ES units. As for the fronts, I've read that the MSP calipers and 626 V6 calipers are actually slightly different, as are the rotors. Except that the only difference with the rotors is the vane orientation. I know a vendor here is selling and MSP front brake kit for $350. From what I can tell, as long as you have an '01+ car any caliper will fit, even whether you have 4 or 5 lug. Anyone have any other info. on this? Will the MSP calipers fit under 15" wheels?

 

[flat_black]

The MSP came with 11.8 inch brakes up front, and 11 inches in the rear. The standard for the rears on the P5 were smaller.

The MSP rotors ONLY come in five lug configurations, and the hub is different between four and five lug setups. The caliper mount is different as well, I think, but I could be wrong on that front.

And yes, MSP calipers do fit under 15" wheels. I got my 15" 929 rims from the owner of an MSP that was wearing them for autocross before me.

 

[Pro03]

Thanks for the info. I realize that obviously the 5 lug rotors won't work on the 4 lug hubs. But I still wonder if the caliper mounts are all really the same. Guess we'd just need to compare the two side by side. But to get back to the point of the thread, I'd just check with the vendor who's selling the kit. My guess is that once you change out the stock parts that came on your car from the factory - even if you replace with Mazda parts - they won't have to honor the warranty. But then again, how many brake problems are we likely to have? Most often will be rotor warpage, and they're not likely to cover that anyway.

 

[Mazda P5 driver]

My guess is that once you change out the stock parts that came on your car from the factory - even if you replace with Mazda parts - they won't have to honor the warranty. But then again, how many brake problems are we likely to have? Most often will be rotor warpage, and they're not likely to cover that anyway.

The sales guy didn't give a difinitve answer because he wasn't sure. But they could at least warranty labor. One thing to think about is basic warranty of parts...IF they were to replace regular wear and tear and I have to replace it, what is the warranty then? 12 month? I am thinking it would be the same as if I just put on the MSP brakes. BUT, if something else was to go wrong not sure.

I have yet to look into it further since I posted, not even sure I still want to.

I have had one brake problem ever...my old Contour ABS sensor or somthing was crapping out. I think that was over 1k$. Something I do not want to end up with should something go wrong.

More and more I think about it, the more Ilike the idea of a WRX or Legacy GT. So...I will most likely never look into the brakes again and just fix what ever breaks/wears out with stock stuff.

 

[FC3s Boy]

i run the spd big brake kit on my P5 (mazdaspeed rotors and calipers) it runs $350 w/o pads and comes with cross drilled and slotted rotors, it is a easy bolt on and you will not need anything but the calipers, rotors and pads- chris @ spd/puresports