Mazdaspeed 3
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~KiNg MaRtY~
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Yes, it will be FWD. They are aiming for 230-250hp. People would still def.buy it. People buy 22k M3 all day long as it is.
The MS3 isn't going after the STi or the Evo. Its being made to compete with the SRT-4, reg. WRX, Cobalt SS, Ion Redline......cars in that category.
You can't say the MS6 is comparable to the EVO or STI. Its in the class with the Legacy GT.
Remember also that the MS line is only about 1-2 year long line.
The MS3 isn't going after the STi or the Evo. Its being made to compete with the SRT-4, reg. WRX, Cobalt SS, Ion Redline......cars in that category.
You can't say the MS6 is comparable to the EVO or STI. Its in the class with the Legacy GT.
Remember also that the MS line is only about 1-2 year long line.
Mr. 4500 RPM
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if its good enough i might get it....s***...that is if i dont get the 98 m3 sitting in the garage as a graduation gift bwahahaha
eting_pro5
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With LSD, right?
wongpres said:
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ah... I'd rather it be fwd anyways, I'm same my pennies and get a mazdaspeed 3.
~KiNg MaRtY~ said:
so the MS3's going to have 230-250hp...in a FWD setup. and we thought the 170hp msp had a lot of torque steer! As far as people spending 22k on an MS3 all day long... not quite sure where you pulled that number from. An MS3 sedan with every conceivable option stickers for a little over 20k. The real world price is more like 18k.
You opened this thread stating it would be 4k less than the current WRX. That puts it's sticker price around 24k. Most of us bought our MSPs for around $17 with the rebate so that's a huge jump in price. I for one am grateful that the MSP wasn't as popular as it perhaps should have been. The general lack of interest kept a limited suppy car's price lower than it should have been. While I wish the same for the MS3, with the success of the 3 paving the way and apparent success of the MS6 building more awareness for the MS brand, it looks like our secret may finally be out.
While the awd 274 hp MS6 with a sticker in the $27k range is a steal when you consider it compares favorably to it's competition (audi a4, legacy gt, etc.) the MS3 on the other hand, at $24k, wouldn't follow the same formula for success with a fwd setup. Being at least a couple grand more than the competition you listed, it's going to be more expensive and will be hard pressed to compete with the likes of an SRT in terms of speed and aftermarket support. Giving it awd, on the other hand, allows it to compete with the one (and only) moderately priced awd speed demon on the road. (the WRX) Seriously, aren't there enough 'quick' FWD cars on the road? We've got the Cobalt SS, SRT-4, Scion SC, SRT-4, GTi, and a slew of others... why can't mazda see the golden opportunity they're presented with? No one is asking them to go after STi and Evo sales! Surely not at the $24k pricepoint. There's a reason why WRX sales dominate the market. Who wouldn't want a car that can run circles around the majority of cars on the road and still handle the elements as well as any suv (or better). The last time I checked, half the country (and probably a lot more than half in terms of population) live in areas in which bad weather plays a role in their lives. An AWD car just makes sense.
If Mazda were to come out with an AWD MS3 with around the same hp as the Subie... for a few grand less. They'd essentially be doing what has helped Hyundai flourish. Giving people what they want... for less. Hell, it could potentially be a better overall car! Very few like the looks of the new WRX. The M3 is an infinetely better looking car than the Impreza. There's really no excuse. Mazda's got the Ford parts bin to pull from and could easily just rebadge the awd S40. s***, that car sells for about $28k! Take out all the fancy Volvo crap and you could easily save 4 grand!
Simply put, though it's still a bit early, the MS6 SHOULD be a HUGE hit with consumers shopping the likes of Maxma, TL, A4, Legacy GT, etc. It costs about the same (or far less) and offers at least the same level of performance. If Mazda were smart, they'd follow the same formula with the MS3.
mazda3zoom
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actually, sticker on my car was $21,500 and i have every option EXCEPT leather, sp add on the $400-$500 leather option and ur at 22k.
I do agree thought, AWD would be WAY better, i cant even leave my driveway without getting stuck in the winter. If this came out in AWD and a sedan i will def. be buying one. By then my car should be payed off and i can sell it and go get another mazda3 (a better one haha)
I do agree thought, AWD would be WAY better, i cant even leave my driveway without getting stuck in the winter. If this came out in AWD and a sedan i will def. be buying one. By then my car should be payed off and i can sell it and go get another mazda3 (a better one haha)
Antoine
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wongpres said:
The man has spoken...Thanks for the info! (thumb)
Let's see...
- 5-door...Hmm cool with some...not cool with others
- FWD...I would of liked AWD but I'm sure it's still going to be a track BEAST!
- 25x hp (figure not N. American-spec, but gives you the general area)...Oh common Mazda...have some balls...250 would be SWEET...230 would be...eeeh suitable but it's been done already...UP THE ANTE!
- Job 1 production mid-2006 (that's the aim as of now)...Let's hope that's a reality sans last minute "gear ratio" changes
In anycase this should be interesting to see how potent a package Mazda makes the new MS3!
im so dissappointed. 
i really wanted my next car to be a mazdaspeed 3.
i just cant drive a hatch, at least i dont like the hatch 3; they would have to really improve it with options and perhaps some better looks for me to consider it.
What the hell, they should just do both sedan and hatch, they are already doing that, whats the difference?
My hopes were for a AWD vehicle, Sedan and AWD were the main points for me and i got neither one.
Power seems alright though; 250 would be ideal.
i really wanted my next car to be a mazdaspeed 3.
i just cant drive a hatch, at least i dont like the hatch 3; they would have to really improve it with options and perhaps some better looks for me to consider it.
What the hell, they should just do both sedan and hatch, they are already doing that, whats the difference?
My hopes were for a AWD vehicle, Sedan and AWD were the main points for me and i got neither one.
Power seems alright though; 250 would be ideal.
The only problem is that the MS6 is only available with a manual transmission. The cars you mentioned above are aimed at upper class in their mid to late 30's, married and have children. I've talked to quite a few people in that age group that say they wouldn't buy a MT. The MS6 is aimed directly at the performance buyers and not the typical stereotype that buys this car. I agree with you, its a much better deal than all those cars, but I doubt the rest of the U.S. feels the same. I bet we will see 3-4k off invoice next fall on the MS6, i just can't imagine that they will sell very well.CHICO2003 said:
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wow I did not know the MS6 would cease after the release of the MS3. interesting. Does this mean the MS3 will cease after the release of the MS RX-8 a year later?
I am interested to see how well the MS3 does, I think the hatch may throw some people off. I would much rather have a sedan but...I guess we'll see. I would still consider the hatch, especially if its around $23-24k. It would be an awesome deal and there is nothing out there that would compare, IMO even without AWD.
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I would really like to see them offer it in both hatch and sedan. I am probably one of the few who think the sedan is decent looking and would consider driving one if available. I just hope the hype is worth it for this car.
