tunersteve said:
Although I love my MSP, if it was a sedan I would be trading the MSP for it in a heartbeat. Won't do the hatch though. If the car is anything like the MS6....then the hype is worth the wait, believe me!
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Although I love my MSP, if it was a sedan I would be trading the MSP for it in a heartbeat. Won't do the hatch though. If the car is anything like the MS6....then the hype is worth the wait, believe me!
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Come on folks lets think about this... every year a Mazdaspeed model comes out the following year the car is cut or undergoes major change/makeover. The six has had its run its time for something new. This would also slove the pecking order that many people mentioned and may open up room for the I-5 turbocharged motor thats been "talked" about. It would make perfect sense to do this to the MZ3 and then change the style like stated.
MS6 being a test mule makes prefect sense as the Mazdaspeed line has been riddled with problems, IE FSDE motor on boost. I also feel as not much changed to the MS6 is you ask me.
I personally love the hatch and think the sedan looks horrid. cant wait!
MS6 being a test mule makes prefect sense as the Mazdaspeed line has been riddled with problems, IE FSDE motor on boost. I also feel as not much changed to the MS6 is you ask me.
I personally love the hatch and think the sedan looks horrid. cant wait!
Antoine said:Woah...No one has confirmed that...I doubt they would put so much time, money and effort including delays..only to cease production after 1 year...that's absurd...Don't believe EVERYTHING read
i like 'em both; the hatch is just more practical for me. you try getting 160 lbs' worth of greyhounds in the back seat of a sedan. 
it's funny how people are already saying, "the MS6 has had its run," when it just came out. form what i was reading, mazda went w/ a top mount IC to make the engine plug-'n-play; that tells me we'll see it in a few more models. i am confused by the "only 1 MS model at a time" talk...it's not a Sith. the protege was at the end of its run anyway; i don't think the MSP got cancelled b/c the MSM was coming out. the miata was at the end of its cycle as well; it wasn't canceled b/c of the MS6.
still wish they had made an MS6 wagon. i'm puzzled by the "we used the sedan b/c it's stiffer, for higher performance," but then the suspesnion tuning went well short of STEVO land (which is fine). i'm pretty sure the wagon or 5-door wouldn't have shaken itself to pieces b/c of 54 extra hp. most reviews i read said the regular 6 chassis could have easily handled 30-40 extra hp as it was.
it's funny how people are already saying, "the MS6 has had its run," when it just came out. form what i was reading, mazda went w/ a top mount IC to make the engine plug-'n-play; that tells me we'll see it in a few more models. i am confused by the "only 1 MS model at a time" talk...it's not a Sith. the protege was at the end of its run anyway; i don't think the MSP got cancelled b/c the MSM was coming out. the miata was at the end of its cycle as well; it wasn't canceled b/c of the MS6.
still wish they had made an MS6 wagon. i'm puzzled by the "we used the sedan b/c it's stiffer, for higher performance," but then the suspesnion tuning went well short of STEVO land (which is fine). i'm pretty sure the wagon or 5-door wouldn't have shaken itself to pieces b/c of 54 extra hp. most reviews i read said the regular 6 chassis could have easily handled 30-40 extra hp as it was.
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I agree, I think the problem with MS is plain and simple. Mazdaspeed waits until the mid-cycle refresh to release their cars. By this time the hype is gone. Sales have begun to drop and the excitement of a new car is gone. I think it is a huge mistake on their part and I hope to capitalize on it. If sales are slow and I can get rebates, than that is awesome. Unfortunately for Mazda, its not. Look at Honda, brand new Civic; SI a few months after. Dodge; new caliber, SRT soon after. That is a recipe for success, IMO.
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Its the same way Ford does things and it allows buyers to look at other vehicles of the same class, and usually losing customers waiting in the process. IMO, Mazdaspeed should be a main piece in the restyle/new model creation so that they can roll out models shortly after the initial model to help keep sales strong. Mazda doesn't have a car that comes right out of the box with any blazing speed or track like setup, so give us a third trim level, as a Mazdaspeed product and have it superior in all ways possible. That is one thing that DC has done right, they always have the SRT model ready and waiting in the wings right after a product comes out. Usually at the latest its 18 months after the product initially comes out.
wow did you misread or did i miss something? What i said was that whenever a model is going for redesign/production end... a Mazdaspeed version comes out. Its always been that way if you think about it. Which most likely means bye bye for the MZ6 after the MS6 is done. Thus when the lower level mazda 3 becomes turbo'd/MS edition it does not effect the pecking order. What i think you will see is the reuse of that motor and AWD improvments. If you think about Evo and Sti's those parts are a long time in the making and well proven.
dmitrik4 said:i like 'em both; the hatch is just more practical for me. you try getting 160 lbs' worth of greyhounds in the back seat of a sedan.
it's funny how people are already saying, "the MS6 has had its run," when it just came out. form what i was reading, mazda went w/ a top mount IC to make the engine plug-'n-play; that tells me we'll see it in a few more models. i am confused by the "only 1 MS model at a time" talk...it's not a Sith. the protege was at the end of its run anyway; i don't think the MSP got cancelled b/c the MSM was coming out. the miata was at the end of its cycle as well; it wasn't canceled b/c of the MS6.
still wish they had made an MS6 wagon. i'm puzzled by the "we used the sedan b/c it's stiffer, for higher performance," but then the suspesnion tuning went well short of STEVO land (which is fine). i'm pretty sure the wagon or 5-door wouldn't have shaken itself to pieces b/c of 54 extra hp. most reviews i read said the regular 6 chassis could have easily handled 30-40 extra hp as it was.
i wasn't referring to anything you said except for "the six has had its run." i'm not sure whether you were referring to the MS6 or the regular car, but either way it seems to be a strange thing to say. i haven't heard anything about a redesigned 6 any time in the near future (not that that means anything!). i also don't think that means a 1-year run for the MS6, especially when the car has been as hyped up by mazda as it has been.
more than a few other people have commented that mazda only puts out 1 MS model at a time. i was pointing out a reason why; a point others picked up on as well.
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more than a few other people have commented that mazda only puts out 1 MS model at a time. i was pointing out a reason why; a point others picked up on as well.
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I beleive there is a redesigned 6 for 2007 or so. but it's still gonna be a 6. a more powerful 6, but still a 6
Ugh... the more I think about all of this, the more dissapointed I am.
For starters, why the freakin wagon? Logically that just doesn't make any sense. Power to weight ratio is everything when it comes to performance. Every little bit helps. I'm not sure what the actual difference is but I'm sure it's signifcant. Who cares about practicality? This is supposed to be a performance car. If you want practicality, get the i or s version. Besides, having 4 doors makes it practical enough in my oppinion. You gotta draw the line somewhere Mazda. Coming out with the hatch (which, most feel, is the least attractive of the two) combined with the added weight... well, that just leaves me scratchin my head.
I'm not privy to Subaru's sales numbers but feel it would be a good indicator for Mazda. Gee... I wonder which version of the WRX sells better. Hmm... that's a tough one! Of course it's the sedan!! It looks better and is lighter. Case closed. Go on ebay and see the difference in # of bids and final sale price. I realize that's not the only indicator but it definitely sheds some light. In business, it pays to emulate the 'best of breed'. There's no doubt that the WRX is king. Why not come out with a mazdaspeed version of the concept behind that. Hell... if they're that keen on having a wagon version, fine. It's paltry sales figures, compared to the sedan counterpart, will only prove my point.
Lasly, I know I'm beating a dead horse here but... for the life of me I just can't figure out why they can't go with the AWD setup. It's supposed competition will be the Cobalt SS, SRT-4 Civic Si. Those cars are selling or will sell for $20-$22k Dodge will have a new version of their SRT-4 by the time the MS3 comes out and one woudl think it'll be even more badass than the current. (thus, comparing the MS3 to the current SRT is somewhat irrelevant.) Nonetheless, my point is this. Neither of those MFRs have an awd drivetrain they can easily 'drop in' like Mazda. (Volvo S40 T5 anyone?) This gives them a legitmate excuse. Where's Mazda's head at? They could easily come out with a car that would have something extremely valuable to most of the country... that it's main competitors lack. Suddenly, not only would prospective buyers of the aforementioned cars look towards Mazda but so would WRX buyers lookin to save a little dough. It would be a slam dunk. Again, if Mazda didn't already have a setup they could use, I wouldn't be making this point. It boggles the mind why they wouldnt' take advantage of their inherent edge. For God's sakes!! If there's one good thing about Ford's ownership it's the parts bin... use it!!
but alas... doesn't look like Mazda shares my logic. It'll still be a fine car. But, without awd, it won't get my $.
For starters, why the freakin wagon? Logically that just doesn't make any sense. Power to weight ratio is everything when it comes to performance. Every little bit helps. I'm not sure what the actual difference is but I'm sure it's signifcant. Who cares about practicality? This is supposed to be a performance car. If you want practicality, get the i or s version. Besides, having 4 doors makes it practical enough in my oppinion. You gotta draw the line somewhere Mazda. Coming out with the hatch (which, most feel, is the least attractive of the two) combined with the added weight... well, that just leaves me scratchin my head.
I'm not privy to Subaru's sales numbers but feel it would be a good indicator for Mazda. Gee... I wonder which version of the WRX sells better. Hmm... that's a tough one! Of course it's the sedan!! It looks better and is lighter. Case closed. Go on ebay and see the difference in # of bids and final sale price. I realize that's not the only indicator but it definitely sheds some light. In business, it pays to emulate the 'best of breed'. There's no doubt that the WRX is king. Why not come out with a mazdaspeed version of the concept behind that. Hell... if they're that keen on having a wagon version, fine. It's paltry sales figures, compared to the sedan counterpart, will only prove my point.
Lasly, I know I'm beating a dead horse here but... for the life of me I just can't figure out why they can't go with the AWD setup. It's supposed competition will be the Cobalt SS, SRT-4 Civic Si. Those cars are selling or will sell for $20-$22k Dodge will have a new version of their SRT-4 by the time the MS3 comes out and one woudl think it'll be even more badass than the current. (thus, comparing the MS3 to the current SRT is somewhat irrelevant.) Nonetheless, my point is this. Neither of those MFRs have an awd drivetrain they can easily 'drop in' like Mazda. (Volvo S40 T5 anyone?) This gives them a legitmate excuse. Where's Mazda's head at? They could easily come out with a car that would have something extremely valuable to most of the country... that it's main competitors lack. Suddenly, not only would prospective buyers of the aforementioned cars look towards Mazda but so would WRX buyers lookin to save a little dough. It would be a slam dunk. Again, if Mazda didn't already have a setup they could use, I wouldn't be making this point. It boggles the mind why they wouldnt' take advantage of their inherent edge. For God's sakes!! If there's one good thing about Ford's ownership it's the parts bin... use it!!
but alas... doesn't look like Mazda shares my logic. It'll still be a fine car. But, without awd, it won't get my $.
Europe and Japan loves hatches, but not the US. But then again, who has the largest car maket in the world? The U.S. Not to mention that a hatch to sedan conversion would not cost a tremenous amount of money. Mostly just suspension re-tuning (which they offer anyway for aftermarket MS products) and a different body kit. As for the AWD, I dont believe that the S40's system is aggressive enough for a MS product. From what I have read, the AWD is the S40's weakest link (other than the shifter)Mikey444 said:
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You also gotta remember that the WRX wagon is ugly as sin. I think a wagon version of the MS3 would sell much better than the sedan world wide.
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Ya know, I really like the P5 and its lines, but I still can't fall in love with the MZ3 hatch. I actually like the stubby rear end of the sedan, especially with a factory lip spoiler. Subtle, but you know somethings there. I think the 17" wheels just fit the sedans size better than the hatch.
Mazda definately has a larger market outside of the US. Canada loves hatches, Europe loves hatches, Japan loves hatches.
I do not think that it is important for this car to be AWD, the major competitor(s) in the end will not be Subaru, but the VW GTI and the Audi A3 which is for now still FWD on this side of the pond. Regardless if the car has AWD or not, it is much cheaper than the vehicles it is competing with and has already earned a reputation of having class leading handling and performance.
Like I said, you cant please everyone.
I do not think that it is important for this car to be AWD, the major competitor(s) in the end will not be Subaru, but the VW GTI and the Audi A3 which is for now still FWD on this side of the pond. Regardless if the car has AWD or not, it is much cheaper than the vehicles it is competing with and has already earned a reputation of having class leading handling and performance.
Like I said, you cant please everyone.
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**** I'm stuck
That's the only way I can put it.
I love my speed. But, warranty will expire next June, and the extended one kicks in but it is not the same thing of course.
My tires are also about shot. It's a lease, I dot not like to put any money into a lease. I usually trade my leases before I have to by new tires. Believe it or not, it usually cost about the same.
Problem 1: I HATE HATCHES. Been there done that. for some reason I just can't love the Mazda 3 hatch. Slap 250hp in it, and I still can't "love" the hatch. Now, the Mazda 6 hatch is really nice, but it doesn't look like your typical hatch. The Mazda 3 hatch looks too much like a station wagon, and it's hood is just awkward. That picture of the "Mazdaspeed 3 Prototype" is ******* hideous.
Everytime I see a sedan I think how sexy a Mazdaspeed version would be. Some 18's on it, mild spoiler on the back, rework the ground effects just a little......perfect.
Everytime I see a Hatch I think the opposite. Big Wheels on the hatch almost look awkward. The grill is too big, the hood has these shoulders that just look awkward and the rear end is pointy???? wtf? I mean I don't hate it, but I just dont' want it. I've been looking at them more lately knowing that the MAzdaspeed 3 was a hatch for some time now, and I just can't get into them. I wouldn't mind having one for a second car for the woman, but for myself? Nope, not interested at all. They are going to have to do some major redesign to the hatch to get my interest.
So what do I do? GEt a Civic SiR? HAH A HA HA HA. Worse shifter I've ever used. Car is wayyyyyy too small. And I like a car with a REAL hood and REAL dash.
WRX? Nope, dont' trust em
Mazdaspeed 6? Maybe, but I want a damn good deal on it, or some damn good rebates, better wheels and a good stereo. I love the car, but it couldn't have come out at a worse time of year. I would have had it back in April.
I just don't see ANYTHING that jumps out at me at all from any company that I'd be interested in getting rid of the speed for come next summer
That's the only way I can put it.
I love my speed. But, warranty will expire next June, and the extended one kicks in but it is not the same thing of course.
My tires are also about shot. It's a lease, I dot not like to put any money into a lease. I usually trade my leases before I have to by new tires. Believe it or not, it usually cost about the same.
Problem 1: I HATE HATCHES. Been there done that. for some reason I just can't love the Mazda 3 hatch. Slap 250hp in it, and I still can't "love" the hatch. Now, the Mazda 6 hatch is really nice, but it doesn't look like your typical hatch. The Mazda 3 hatch looks too much like a station wagon, and it's hood is just awkward. That picture of the "Mazdaspeed 3 Prototype" is ******* hideous.
Everytime I see a sedan I think how sexy a Mazdaspeed version would be. Some 18's on it, mild spoiler on the back, rework the ground effects just a little......perfect.
Everytime I see a Hatch I think the opposite. Big Wheels on the hatch almost look awkward. The grill is too big, the hood has these shoulders that just look awkward and the rear end is pointy???? wtf? I mean I don't hate it, but I just dont' want it. I've been looking at them more lately knowing that the MAzdaspeed 3 was a hatch for some time now, and I just can't get into them. I wouldn't mind having one for a second car for the woman, but for myself? Nope, not interested at all. They are going to have to do some major redesign to the hatch to get my interest.
So what do I do? GEt a Civic SiR? HAH A HA HA HA. Worse shifter I've ever used. Car is wayyyyyy too small. And I like a car with a REAL hood and REAL dash.
WRX? Nope, dont' trust em
Mazdaspeed 6? Maybe, but I want a damn good deal on it, or some damn good rebates, better wheels and a good stereo. I love the car, but it couldn't have come out at a worse time of year. I would have had it back in April.
I just don't see ANYTHING that jumps out at me at all from any company that I'd be interested in getting rid of the speed for come next summer
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