GHOSTWHISPER
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Where did you hear that? Article? Link?
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Jack Abramoff pleads guilty
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MinivanHunter
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I wonder if the Democrat Harry Reid is going to resign over this one.
The corrupt Democrats got exposed once again.
The corrupt Democrats got exposed once again.
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pingdum said:
AVATAR INFRINGEMENT!!!
GOP Politicians Dump Abramoff Donations
WASHINGTON - As politicians led by President Bush scrambled to ditch campaign contributions from disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich cautioned Republicans they risk losing control of congressional majorities if they try to put all the blame on lobbyists.
"You can't have a corrupt lobbyist unless you have a corrupt member (of Congress) or a corrupt staff. This was a team effort," Gingrich told a Rotary Club lunch in Washington on Wednesday. He called for systematic changes to reduce the enormous financial advantages that incumbents have in congressional elections.
As head of a conservative movement based on ethics concerns and promises to curb federal growth, Gingrich led the GOP in 1994 to its first House majority in 42 years. But he decided to resign in 1998 when Republicans lost seats a year after Gingrich himself was fined $300,000 for violating House rules barring the use of tax-exempt foundations for political purposes.
He said the GOP leaders, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., need to resist mere "lobbyist bashing" and push campaign finance changes, along with smaller and more effective government.
"If they intend to retain a majority, then ... they need to take the lead in saying to the country we need to clean this mess up," Gingrich told reporters. "But any effort to push this under the rug, to say this is just one bad apple: That's baloney."
So far the primary response by politicians has been to separate themselves from campaign contributions they took from Abramoff or Indian tribes he represented either by returning them or donating them to charity.
In just the two days since Abramoff pleaded guilty Tuesday in Washington to three federal felonies, more than 40 elected federal officials have given up Abramoff donations, joining a dozen who did so last year.
This week's list was headed by Republicans Bush, Frist, Hastert, House Majority Leader Roy Blunt of Missouri and former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, who faces legal problems of his own. But some Democrats joined in, including Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York.
Republicans dominated the list not surprising given that Abramoff, a friend of DeLay's, gave far more to them than to Democrats.
The scandal's effect on the 2006 election was on the mind of many who jettisoned the donations.
"I wish it hadn't happened because it's not going to help us keep our majority," conceded Rep. Ralph Regula (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio.
As Abramoff pleaded guilty to a second set of felony charges Wednesday, this time in Florida, officials said Bush's 2004 re-election campaign intended to give up $6,000 in donations from the lobbyist, his wife and a client.
A spokeswoman for Blunt, Burson Taylor, said, "While we firmly believe the contributions were legal at the time of receipt, the plea indicates that such contributions may not have been given in the spirit in which they were received."
Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, under federal investigation over his links to Abramoff, joined in the rush.
The Republican scramble to shed cash that once was eagerly sought underscored the potential political problem the party faces in this election year.
Gingrich told reporters he thinks Republicans should elect a permanent replacement for DeLay. In addition to links with Abramoff, the Texan is battling campaign finance charges in his home state of Texas but hopes to regain his leadership post.
Regula, who came to Congress in 1973 and survived post-Watergate elections that crippled his party, said the implications of the Abramoff plea deals could be devastating for the GOP. "I was in the minority for 22 years and the majority for 11, and having tried it both ways, I definitely prefer the majority."
Frist issued a statement placing ethics issues on the Senate agenda for the year. He said he intends to "examine and act on any necessary changes to improve transparency and accountability for our body when it comes to lobbying."
For their part, House Democrats signaled they intend to make ethics an element in their drive to gain a majority in next fall's elections.
"It's more important for these Republicans to come clean with the American people about ... what (they) did for Jack Abramoff and his special interest friends in return for those campaign contributions," said Sarah Feinberg, a spokeswoman for the House Democratic campaign organization.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105...6qL.GSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-
WASHINGTON - As politicians led by President Bush scrambled to ditch campaign contributions from disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich cautioned Republicans they risk losing control of congressional majorities if they try to put all the blame on lobbyists.
"You can't have a corrupt lobbyist unless you have a corrupt member (of Congress) or a corrupt staff. This was a team effort," Gingrich told a Rotary Club lunch in Washington on Wednesday. He called for systematic changes to reduce the enormous financial advantages that incumbents have in congressional elections.
As head of a conservative movement based on ethics concerns and promises to curb federal growth, Gingrich led the GOP in 1994 to its first House majority in 42 years. But he decided to resign in 1998 when Republicans lost seats a year after Gingrich himself was fined $300,000 for violating House rules barring the use of tax-exempt foundations for political purposes.
He said the GOP leaders, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., need to resist mere "lobbyist bashing" and push campaign finance changes, along with smaller and more effective government.
"If they intend to retain a majority, then ... they need to take the lead in saying to the country we need to clean this mess up," Gingrich told reporters. "But any effort to push this under the rug, to say this is just one bad apple: That's baloney."
So far the primary response by politicians has been to separate themselves from campaign contributions they took from Abramoff or Indian tribes he represented either by returning them or donating them to charity.
In just the two days since Abramoff pleaded guilty Tuesday in Washington to three federal felonies, more than 40 elected federal officials have given up Abramoff donations, joining a dozen who did so last year.
This week's list was headed by Republicans Bush, Frist, Hastert, House Majority Leader Roy Blunt of Missouri and former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, who faces legal problems of his own. But some Democrats joined in, including Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York.
Republicans dominated the list not surprising given that Abramoff, a friend of DeLay's, gave far more to them than to Democrats.
The scandal's effect on the 2006 election was on the mind of many who jettisoned the donations.
"I wish it hadn't happened because it's not going to help us keep our majority," conceded Rep. Ralph Regula (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio.
As Abramoff pleaded guilty to a second set of felony charges Wednesday, this time in Florida, officials said Bush's 2004 re-election campaign intended to give up $6,000 in donations from the lobbyist, his wife and a client.
A spokeswoman for Blunt, Burson Taylor, said, "While we firmly believe the contributions were legal at the time of receipt, the plea indicates that such contributions may not have been given in the spirit in which they were received."
Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, under federal investigation over his links to Abramoff, joined in the rush.
The Republican scramble to shed cash that once was eagerly sought underscored the potential political problem the party faces in this election year.
Gingrich told reporters he thinks Republicans should elect a permanent replacement for DeLay. In addition to links with Abramoff, the Texan is battling campaign finance charges in his home state of Texas but hopes to regain his leadership post.
Regula, who came to Congress in 1973 and survived post-Watergate elections that crippled his party, said the implications of the Abramoff plea deals could be devastating for the GOP. "I was in the minority for 22 years and the majority for 11, and having tried it both ways, I definitely prefer the majority."
Frist issued a statement placing ethics issues on the Senate agenda for the year. He said he intends to "examine and act on any necessary changes to improve transparency and accountability for our body when it comes to lobbying."
For their part, House Democrats signaled they intend to make ethics an element in their drive to gain a majority in next fall's elections.
"It's more important for these Republicans to come clean with the American people about ... what (they) did for Jack Abramoff and his special interest friends in return for those campaign contributions," said Sarah Feinberg, a spokeswoman for the House Democratic campaign organization.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105...6qL.GSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-
This should be easy for you, since they are so corrupt. Give me a list of Democrats that have been indicted or convicted of crimes pertaining to Government and I'll come up with a list of Republicans. Let's go back say 25 years. Post your results tomorrow and we'll see who's done what. How does that sound?MinivanHunter said:
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1killercls said:
This goes right up to the TOP of the Democratic Party in the Senate. Harry Reid is the Minority Leader in the Senate, Harry Reid (D-Nev.), received at least $68,941 from Abramoff.
This goes right to the TOP of the D.N.C. (hah) (hah)
MinivanHunter
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pingdum said:
Well pingdum, if you want to talk about indictments, that is easy. We all know for a fact that it was the Clinton administration and Clinton friends who hold the RECORD for the most indictments.
CLINTON
- The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most convictions and guilty pleas
- Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most witnesses to die suddenly
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
(hah) (hah)
Impeached and disbarred.
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heh, he's right... again. (hah)
lol
lol
MinivanHunter
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pingdum said:
Just because you don't like the facts does not mean it is not a proper list. (deadhorse
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remember the video of algore walking with the monks at the monestary ? that was deemed to be illegal, and unscrupulous.http://www.realchange.org/gore.htmpingdum said:
and the bakers...
and cattlegate ?
and so on.... clinton was quite the fucktard.
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and let's not forget "whitewater" (deadhorse
MinivanHunter
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whitewater, travelgate, Vince Foster dead, Waco, Chandra Levy, pergury, impeached, disbarred, Gore taking money from monks overseas, Rather doing Kerry's dirtywork and forging military records, now Senate Democrat Leader Harry Reid taking money from Abramoff, things aren't looking too good for the DNC
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MinivanHunter said:
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OH SURE! He was so bad for this country
If they're facts, show me the proof. It's that simple. Any stupid pundant can say "he did this", "she did that" whether it's true or not. I'm giving you a whole day, make a list. I'm not here to defend anybody, I think most politicians are hypocritical, lying criminals. But if you're going to make accusations, I want references. The Al Gore thing doesn't count. Neither indicted or convicted.MinivanHunter said:
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cattlegate is my favorite.....
http://www.top10weasels.com/hillary04.htm
http://www.io.com/~cjburke/clinton/clinatoz.html top ten clinton scandals
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html
http://www.top10weasels.com/hillary04.htm
http://www.io.com/~cjburke/clinton/clinatoz.html top ten clinton scandals
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html
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Pingdum, I think you should give him at least a week. Stalking middle-aged women in public, taking their photos and doing god-knows-what with them, takes a lot of time and effort. Please be patient (thumb)
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clinton just sat there as Bakers wife went to prison... for not testifying against clinton.... lol, she spent a good ammount of time there too... lol.
