Is there a 'cutoff' date for newer MS3's to NOT have the motor mount issue?

[bast525]

Just wondering. I swear I remember someone saying that MS3's made after a certain date had already had this issue addressed.

Mine was manufactured in 12/06 so... Just wondering if I need to be keeping a close eye on things.

 

[Jasonstiller]

Not that i know of. Mazda has not really addressed this issue globaly yet so...

 

[assman]

It takes time to design test build and implement. I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt settled before the end of summer.

 

[bast525]

so ALL owners are at risk as of right this moment?

 

[whitey4311]

According to the guys on here who said it happened to them but who knows the details for sure. I for one dont shift my car like I hate it or abuse it in any way so I am not sure if they will say that had anything to do with it. Its sort of like grinding all your gears then saying there is something wrong with the tranny. If its not as wide spread as they are making it to sound then there has to be some level of abuse that was done to those few cars.

From what I read on the links they admitt to driving the cars hard but say they should hold up to it. This may be true but to what extent is the question.

I will just have to ask my dealer to see if they have any news on this and like they usaully tell me, "dont listen to all you read on the net"

We may find out the hard way or we may find out that its an isolated incident.

 

[brecker]

Don't listen to that crap..

A motor mount should take any and all abuse you give it, period. It's a engineering defect on Mazda's part. They should stand up and fcuking admit it.

 

[Vixen]

According to the guys on here who said it happened to them but who knows the details for sure. I for one dont shift my car like I hate it or abuse it in any way so I am not sure if they will say that had anything to do with it. Its sort of like grinding all your gears then saying there is something wrong with the tranny. If its not as wide spread as they are making it to sound then there has to be some level of abuse that was done to those few cars.

From what I read on the links they admitt to driving the cars hard but say they should hold up to it. This may be true but to what extent is the question.

I will just have to ask my dealer to see if they have any news on this and like they usaully tell me, "dont listen to all you read on the net"

We may find out the hard way or we may find out that its an isolated incident.

Sorry to be blunt and I don't want to attack you personally but you're really annoying me. While you are certainly entitled to your opinions I can't fathom why you keep poo pooing this as a concern. Aren't you the least bit worried? I mean, I'm not going to stop driving my car over it but I think it needs to be investigated don't you?
This car is meant to be driven hard. The engine should not be falling out. For it to happen even to 1 person it is too much and on this board alone, it has happened to 2.
Maybe they are using the same mounts that they use in the regular 3 and they can't handle the torque. I dunno, but I would sure like them to figure it out.

 

[chaos4]

Sorry to be blunt and I don't want to attack you personally but you're really annoying me. While you are certainly entitled to your opinions I can't fathom why you keep poo pooing this as a concern. Aren't you the least bit worried? I mean, I'm not going to stop driving my car over it but I think it needs to be investigated don't you?
This car is meant to be driven hard. The engine should not be falling out. For it to happen even to 1 person it is too much and on this board alone, it has happened to 2.
Maybe they are using the same mounts that they use in the regular 3 and they can't handle the torque. I dunno, but I would sure like them to figure it out.

Hey Vixen, get real! 6,000 rpm dumps and foot on the floor shifts from 1st to 2nd are abuse. No one said anything about poo pooing the problem, it just makes common sense to temper those shifts a touch. I run my car on road courses all over the Northeast (Watkins Glen last week - about 140 track miles), and shift quickly, but not abusively. So, please, imagine the forces placed on the car, and I think you will understand that a car guaranteed to stand up to that indefinetly would be so strong as to weigh 4 tons. Something designed to go fast is not necessarily designed for abusive use.

 

[whitey4311]

Hey Vixen, get real! 6,000 rpm dumps and foot on the floor shifts from 1st to 2nd are abuse. No one said anything about poo pooing the problem, it just makes common sense to temper those shifts a touch. I run my car on road courses all over the Northeast (Watkins Glen last week - about 140 track miles), and shift quickly, but not abusively. So, please, imagine the forces placed on the car, and I think you will understand that a car guaranteed to stand up to that indefinetly would be so strong as to weigh 4 tons. Something designed to go fast is not necessarily designed for abusive use.

EXACTLY!

Like I said I wasnt there to hold the hand of those whom this has happened to but ask them about their driving habits and they will tell you they were aggresive per their previous posts.

I am not neglecting there may be an issue but it seems like you guys are jumping the band wagon here for no real proven reason. I can go down and take the car out right now and beat the s*** out of it and grind all the gears then b**** the syncros are out and the tranny is a POS and Mazda needs to recall it.

Again I am saying time will tell if they were isolated incidents and if so then you guys that beat the crap out of your nice new cars need to learn they arent tanks and start caring for them.

Seeing as how I care for my car and dont abuse it if I drop a motor mount well then I would know whats up but as mentioned there are signs to look for with vibrations and what not so just be aware of how your car is running from time to time.

I am no mechanic nor do I claim to know more then anyone here but common sense goes a long way in life.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, I totally agree that a car can be pushed to the point the the mounts can break. That's not my point.
My point is that until I have proof that the people who this happened to abused their vehicles, I will be concerned about the motor mount failure. I said that the car was meant to be driven hard, not abused.
Who did 6,000 rpm dumps??

 

[Kansei]

Hey Vixen, get real! 6,000 rpm dumps and foot on the floor shifts from 1st to 2nd are abuse. No one said anything about poo pooing the problem, it just makes common sense to temper those shifts a touch. I run my car on road courses all over the Northeast (Watkins Glen last week - about 140 track miles), and shift quickly, but not abusively. So, please, imagine the forces placed on the car, and I think you will understand that a car guaranteed to stand up to that indefinetly would be so strong as to weigh 4 tons. Something designed to go fast is not necessarily designed for abusive use.

If you sell a car as a "Mazdaspeed" you gotta expect it'll get some track or autocross usage.. a defective motor mount needs to be addressed, and quickly.

 

[whitey4311]

Now we are on the same page man.

You are not going to know how they drove the car nor are they going to fess up to it knowing that part of the buzz they are creating would attract attention by Mazda to these fourms.

I hope its not a problem but things fail and it just so happens that this is a serious failure. I am confident that mine wont snap off but as I said I dont kill me car and put youtube videos of slamming through gears to see if I can have the fastest 0-60 time.

Just watch for the signs and ask the dealer or mechanic about it and see what they say. I know thats far fetched but atleast you can say hey remember when I asked you about this if ever it should break in the future.

 

[knowledge007]

All I have to say to this is I am going on 10,000 miles and nothing has happened so far. I have driven this car hard shifting at 6000rpm dumps or maybe 5800rpms. I have never power shifted. And everything seems to be fine. Although since this has happened to another forum friend I will taking the car to the dealer Friday so they can check it out.

 

[Kansei]

wait you're dropping the clutch at 6k rpms to launch?? whhhhy? the car doesn't have launch control, it seems like that would be useless?

 

[knowledge007]

No, no...lol I meant I am switching around there when I hit it hard. I have never and will never drop the clutch like that during launch...

 

[knowledge007]

No, no...lol I meant I am switching around there when I hit it hard. I have never and will never drop the clutch like that during launch...

 

[Equinox]

Any idea if the AWR rear motor mount corrects this problem? Or is it just designed off the defective one?

 

[knowledge007]

No they are two different mounts. The mount that has been failing is a screw bolt mount that hooks up with the tranny I believe which is not tighten to the right spec.

But no, rear and this tranny mount are two different things...

 

[bast525]

Sorry but I don't agree with 'driver abuse'.

Case in point... the Dodge SRT-4 I owned before this car.

If you bought one of Mopar's Stage kits, they outright ENCOURAGED you to flat shift the car (otherwise known as a WOT-shift i.e.: Wide Open Throttle shift... in other words, keeping the throttle planted, push in the clutch and shift as quickly as possible). They tout this as a feature of the stage upgrades, that they will hold boost if you power shift in this manner, so you won't have ANY lag/spool up time after shifting.

SRT owners do this all the time, and while it IS definately abusive to the transmission and clutch, no one has ever failed a motor mount due to this, at least, no one on the srt forums has mentioned it.

I've had several performance oriented cars, most of which were manual transmission, all of which were driven hard... I've never had an engine fall out of the car.

I'm not saying abuse wouldn't contribute to or accelerate this problem... sure, people who drive gently may be less likely to have this issue... but even being driven hard, the motor mount bolts should NOT be breaking or backing out. ESPECIALLY on a car designed for performance!

I doubt that everyone this has happened to has been abusing their car.

It really makes things harder for people who have a legitimate complaint with a car that may really have a design or assembly flaw when the first response is "it's driver abuse".

 

[whitey4311]

Those are good points but remember "all those people" are so far 2-3 which is bad that anything happened but it does make me ask questions.

Its like the guy talking about a clutch failure at 45k miles, its not like there is all this hype on making it a factory recall so I just question what the real deal is here?

I for one would rather a recall go through just to be have sound mind but on the other hand I dont forsee this happening to my car since I dont abuse it like you mentioned.