Dodge SRT4 Stage 3
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txmzdspd2gen
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- 1997 MAZDASPEED PROTEGE AND 03.5 MAZDASPEED
Didnt the 1st gen neons places 2nd and third in scca races. This was against 2gen proteges (bonacorssi). Oh they won once..they have to cheat and put a stiffer rear sway bar to be able to beat the 98 protege es of paul B. Of course they got disqualified..lol..
Those neon srt are ok..wish most of their drivers act mature enough to handle such power...mostly bunch of jerks.IMO..
Those neon srt are ok..wish most of their drivers act mature enough to handle such power...mostly bunch of jerks.IMO..
My friend just bought an SRT and it is amazing. With a little money, the SRT can beat most muscle cars in a straight line drag and out handle everything but nicely modded STi's and Evo's. The interior is nice for a $20k car and the performance and potential for upgrade is unbeatable. Seems like a lot of people here think the SRT is a piece of s*** compared to a MSP, but watch out...they're dominating at both drag races and auto-x.
nautical2086
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- 1999 Mazda Protege ES
Cars just awesome, If i could afford insurance I'd get an srt 4, car looks mean and its fast. Good s***, id still keep my protege though, looks beter, lol
Simply not true. Especially with the new ACR option. Having a ton of power to pull you out of the corners is a great feeling. It's all about exit speed. I wish that I had taken both cars out for a track day, I would bet that on the average course, the SRT would have beaten the MSP hands down. Was the SRT as stable in corners? No, probably not, but if you are stable than you aren't going fast enough. Besides, the MSP's superior handling only lasts about 1500 miles until the 156Es fail and you end up with a flapping bar in the rear.
My insurance was $8 cheaper per month on the SRT-4.
And also, as far as resale goes, I got sticker for my SRT-4 trade in, plus $4500 rebate and ended up with a fully optioned QC Dakota for less than the SRT-4 cost new. I couldn't say no.
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Leave my skittle alone! 
I'm actually saving up for the stage 3 w/ toys for my car. The kit itself is only around $3,600, which is nothing because I spent almost the same amount when I had my MSP. Or I can go a big turbo route (www.agpturbo.com) $1,850 (turbo, manifold, wastegate and etc.) + $900 (safcII, msd tac driver, 750cc RC injectors, walbaro 255 fuel pump) which will bring the car on pump gas at 350hp or over 400hp tuned. Buying the parts for these cars are fairly cheap and have lots of support from the vendors. I still miss my MSP sometimes, but when I'm in boost on my SRT4 I forget everything and have an evil grin on my face 
. Oh yeah, psst! Gbourdon I know your thinking about it. DO IT! j/k 
I haven't regret owning mine.
I'm actually saving up for the stage 3 w/ toys for my car. The kit itself is only around $3,600, which is nothing because I spent almost the same amount when I had my MSP. Or I can go a big turbo route (www.agpturbo.com) $1,850 (turbo, manifold, wastegate and etc.) + $900 (safcII, msd tac driver, 750cc RC injectors, walbaro 255 fuel pump) which will bring the car on pump gas at 350hp or over 400hp tuned. Buying the parts for these cars are fairly cheap and have lots of support from the vendors. I still miss my MSP sometimes, but when I'm in boost on my SRT4 I forget everything and have an evil grin on my face . Oh yeah, psst! Gbourdon I know your thinking about it. DO IT! j/k I haven't regret owning mine.
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Why are most people think so high of the MSP handling and think that the SRT is a turd when it comes to handling. At the local auto x SRT are beating many cars including the MSP. Driver has a lot to due with it but its not a bad handling car.
And how many more times we going to hear this. I lostin a drag race to a insert whatever car u wish. The next post is [ just take him to the curves then u will show him}
And how many more times we going to hear this. I lostin a drag race to a insert whatever car u wish. The next post is [ just take him to the curves then u will show him}
It's because the MSP owners are insanely jealous.
The fact of the matter is the FSDE is an old engine, and was never designed for power. That's not to say it can't be done, but there's simply no comparison to an engine built for f/i.
Also, the skidpad on a stock SRT4 is .85, on an MSP it's .88 - this is not a huge variance. The stock Protege has a skidpad of .79 for reference sake. The fact is that the MSP will get owned by the SRT4 in the straights, more than enough to make up for any turns that will be encountered in average driving. With minimal investment towards modification, the suspension of an SRT4 can be changed to surpass that of the MSP. The MSP on the other hand, requires a significant investment to match the power of the SRT4, and aside from the MPI Tuner - there haven't been many success stories when it comes to tuning big power from the FSDE.
MSP owners will always rag on the SRT4 because it looks like a Neon, hell- I've even done it. The fact is though - IT IS A NEON! Just like the MSP - IS A PROTEGE! The jealous ricer attitude that gets displayed on the forum everytime someone brings up the SRT4 is more than a little rediculous, and I think most of the people who have been on the forum for a long time have grown accustomed to it. It's the young drivers, and people who just bought the car that come on the forum and get upset mostly now. Hopefully in time the people who bought the MSP will come to terms with the better traits of their own cars instead of feeling that the only way they can feel ok is to put down the SRT4.
If not - trade up to something better or start working on mods/tuning.
The fact of the matter is the FSDE is an old engine, and was never designed for power. That's not to say it can't be done, but there's simply no comparison to an engine built for f/i.
Also, the skidpad on a stock SRT4 is .85, on an MSP it's .88 - this is not a huge variance. The stock Protege has a skidpad of .79 for reference sake. The fact is that the MSP will get owned by the SRT4 in the straights, more than enough to make up for any turns that will be encountered in average driving. With minimal investment towards modification, the suspension of an SRT4 can be changed to surpass that of the MSP. The MSP on the other hand, requires a significant investment to match the power of the SRT4, and aside from the MPI Tuner - there haven't been many success stories when it comes to tuning big power from the FSDE.
MSP owners will always rag on the SRT4 because it looks like a Neon, hell- I've even done it. The fact is though - IT IS A NEON! Just like the MSP - IS A PROTEGE! The jealous ricer attitude that gets displayed on the forum everytime someone brings up the SRT4 is more than a little rediculous, and I think most of the people who have been on the forum for a long time have grown accustomed to it. It's the young drivers, and people who just bought the car that come on the forum and get upset mostly now. Hopefully in time the people who bought the MSP will come to terms with the better traits of their own cars instead of feeling that the only way they can feel ok is to put down the SRT4.
If not - trade up to something better or start working on mods/tuning.
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Rism said:
Got a ride in a 03 SRT when they first came out... wheels broke lose at 25
Quote about the SRT's stock suspension
"a contest in howling tires and understeer at every on ramp."
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Micah said:
As you have surely guessed, the SRT-4 was the faster of the two, but not by much. It took more than three miles for the SRT-4 to pull an appreciable gap on the Proteg.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0301scc_20gsdodge/
FBI14 said:
"Gathering performance data, it quickly became clear the SRT-4 was dominating the straight-line tests, and the Mazdaspeed Proteg was being equally relentless with the handling tests. To break the tie, we took to the mountains and let real-world speed decide the winner. As you have surely guessed, the SRT-4 was the faster of the two, but not by much. It took more than three miles for the SRT-4 to pull an appreciable gap on the Proteg. While not as solid and composed as the Proteg, the Neon still showed decent balance, good grip, strong, fade-free brakes, and of course, staggering pull between the corners. This is a lot of performance for $20,000."
Ain't context a b****?
So it turns out that if you want to race an MSP vs. an SRT4 - all you have to do is 'take to the mountains'. I'm trying to find the spot in the article where they say that the MSP got ahead of the SRT... can't seem to find it.
Maybe you can find it?
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Micah said:
I actaully find it a pleasent gift, they say its not as composed as the MSP, I think thats a big point showing the the MSP has a more confidence inspiring ride and feel and for the underpowered not ment to be boosted MSP to keep up with the "greatest car ever made" as people make it seem how they defend it, I think thats a rather good point, shows how a good blend of all charateristics of a car done right can be just as dangerous as a blindly fast car
