difference between slotted brakes and drilled brakes

[Hughes412]

LOL ******* sissies. What you make little comments towards be and its ok but if I make them back you get mad. LOL

For the guys that keep talking about ITS BASIC PHYSICS you sure are idiots. Lets see if maybe you can figure out how it works.

There is a thing call tensile strength
Defined as; the resistance of a material to a force tending to tear it apart, measured as the maximum tension the material can withstand without tearing.
Youll need to know this if youre going to actually be a real mechanic some day.
Now lets get on with it.
If rotor A was (just an example) on a scale of 1-10 a 5 and it was a solid rotor and I wanted to drill it and slot it then yes it would weaken it. Now heres the good part, pay attention because you might miss it. If you RAISE the strength from a 5 to like a 8 then the metal would be strong enough to absorb your ENERGY and be able to stop the car with out cracking. Which by my guess is what the places like brembo do. I do not believe that they buy stock rotors and then drill them unlike the s*** you get on E bay.

Now Im sorry you go your feelings hurt but people like you two just get under my skin.
You get on here and start spewing your opinions not facts and in the mean time you could be confusing or miss guiding some one that doesnt know either. Its just ******* commonsense that apparently you guys do not have. And if you ask any real life mechanic or engineer they will tell you that not everything that is printed in a book works in real life.

And would you please tell me how a positive can be a negative! The whole reason for modifying a car is to improve it performance. If these rotors improve your stopping just by an inch, then its an improvement. Will it be cost effective? Some times no, but THATS when it comes down to person opinions.

Oh and its not that I cant afford a big brake kit dumb ass, its that they do not make one for the LX protg.
Just for that you are even more stupid..

Oh your a class act. I believe the person that would know a fair amount would be an instructor, the same type of person that trained you at one point. What I was saying was it's all based on opinion. Yes maybe they will help, and maybe they won't. If you weren't such a prick about you "experiance" and realize some things it is physics. There are some things that prove them as being bad and some that prove them as good. The brake pads in the industry are ever changing and developing, until your a le mans engineer, mechanic, or driver, stop using this as a comparison unless you really know ever bit to do with the rotors they use. That's great you have experiance maybe it'de teach you to be a little more understanding cause I'de hate to see how you treat your customers. There's a difference between saying your wrong and saying from my understanding. We're all human, we are all wrong sometimes get the **** over it. Scientific evidence is the only guaranteed proof, a test sample that has the elements consistent will show, until you've shown this my opinion is mine, yours is yours. My point about less mass still stands! IT'S BASIC PHYSICS!!!!! when you heat up a 1/2" steak on the grill does it cook faster or slower than a 3/4" maybe think more about possibility than how your right. I know I'm not sitting here saying to myself he's so wrong. I'm stating my thoughts and until disproven correctly I'm allowed to have them. I'll let my teacher know that he's just some stupid kid down the street. I forgot only the people in the industry know what they are talking about. I also forgot that since you can't afford big brakes that the race teams and professional drivers don't use them! Very valid point there Mr. experienced. You apparently never read my point about the racers finding a happy medium with rotor size and the mass slotted or drilled. How bout that 60-0 time, did you happen to use different pads, change your fluid, lines, or alter it in any way before that? I'm betting so otherwise reall classy rotors but nothing else. Also if your that far in life and your still more worried about being 100 percent right and making other people feel downsized maybe you should take a look around. Your acting like that kid racer down the street.


Guys that might be right:4

Guy that might be right but has his head up his ass:1

 

[Mazda_maniac]

your obviously missing my point. I think your thinking too deeply. I was referring the the fact that heat causes the pads to create gasses or glazing, the conditions that crossdrilled and slotted rotors benefit braking. I'm sorry einstein for your confusion.

If you were that great of a technician you would have no problem altering your car to suit a big brake kit from another VEHICLE!!!

And if not everything printed in a book really works why do you believe the rotor manufacturers? that is still technical data. Your all over the place now. I think you may be misguiding us and for now I'm going to stop with the personal attacks your obviously too close to being correct for you to budge. I'm sorry to offend you cause your replying to every post with more than one post caus eyou can't spit it all out. good day.

 

[iracemine]

what does tensil strentgh have to do with personal attacks.

 

[Mazda_maniac]

or the analogy i used of the duration it takes to cook steak of different thickness.

If you want to be exact here's your tensile strength.

The tensile strength of a material is the maximum amount of tensile stress that it can be subjected to before failure.

Now that this has come to a war of knowledge Sir Isaac Newton.

 

[ZoomVT]

Alright guys, this thread is getting a little out of control. I appreciate everyone chiming in with their opinions and it seems everyone has very good points to support their argument.

AS many have said before, this argument is not going to be resolved any time soon and it is not going to be resolved by us in an internet forum.

Hughes, you are making very valid points, and beside the fact that i agree with you, there is no need for name calling as much as some of the arguments frustrate or infuriate you. I dont mean to single you out but i think that you being the oldest member chiming in this issue you should take the high road.

Since i am not a babysitter, if i see there is more name calling or unnecessary roughness (im watching the MNF game right now, lol) i will have to lock this thread. Please dont crap this thread as i would like to leave it open since there is enough info for each person to make their own mind taking in account what is posted here.

Thanks for collaborating. If you have questions or issues send me a PM.

 

[Hughes412]

How am I all over the place. I was talking about rotors, you were the one that brought the pads in. But we we not talking about pads. You could go back and read the post to find that out. Now you're grasping at straws.
I was never a technician, I was and are now a mechanic. While they call mechnics techs now, techs started out as goffers and helpers. But the PC term to use now days is technician. And with that yes I could fit a 5 lug big brake system on the car, but that like my last post said you not in my eyes be cost effective. So again WRONG!
I believe the manufacturers because unlike you they actually have experiance dealing with rotors. They have obviously done the research, unlike your trainer.

I'm also responding to all post seperately so that people reading you s*** will know you are wrong and they will know WHY you are wrong.

your obviously missing my point. I think your thinking too deeply. I was referring the the fact that heat causes the pads to create gasses or glazing, the conditions that crossdrilled and slotted rotors benefit braking. I'm sorry einstein for your confusion.

If you were that great of a technician you would have no problem altering your car to suit a big brake kit from another VEHICLE!!!

And if not everything printed in a book really works why do you believe the rotor manufacturers? that is still technical data. Your all over the place now. I think you may be misguiding us and for now I'm going to stop with the personal attacks your obviously too close to being correct for you to budge. I'm sorry to offend you cause your replying to every post with more than one post caus eyou can't spit it all out. good day.

 

[Hughes412]

what does tensil strentgh have to do with personal attacks.

No one side it did. I just simply put it in a way you could easily understand.

I think I understand you question now.

I was trying to get you to understand the reason my taking away material from the rotors is not as big a deal as you think it is.

Yes if you have a soft metal and drill holes in it then it will weaken the rotor. But if you raise the tensile stringth of the metal then after you dill it the rest of the rotor will still beable to hold the same force that is needed to stop a car.

 

[Hughes412]

Come on dude, that's just another way of saying the exact same thing I did.

VOOMVT you are right. I shouldn't let them get me started but it was the little things that finally got me going. I believe it was

waist on thies cars: 4

if it works on a vette it should work on mine: 1

Commint that finally did it. But still my bad. I will stop with the nams.

or the analogy i used of the duration it takes to cook steak of different thickness.

If you want to be exact here's your tensile strength.

The tensile strength of a material is the maximum amount of tensile stress that it can be subjected to before failure.

Now that this has come to a war of knowledge Sir Isaac Newton.

 

[Hughes412]

or the analogy i used of the duration it takes to cook steak of different thickness.

If you want to be exact here's your tensile strength.

The tensile strength of a material is the maximum amount of tensile stress that it can be subjected to before failure.

Now that this has come to a war of knowledge Sir Isaac Newton.

Kind of sounds like this

There is a thing call tensile strength
Defined as; the resistance of a material to a force tending to tear it apart, measured as the maximum tension the material can withstand without tearing.
Youll need to know this if youre going to actually be a real mechanic some day.
.

Which by the way helps prove my point. If you take some material away and it weekens the part use stronger material so the end product will be as strong as the original part was. Pretty easy to understand if you ask me.

An on top of that, if you use Ceramic pads that will improve the stoping power even more! WOW that's just WOW!

 

[iracemine]

still dont think any one has the right to attack at a perosnal level. UNSUBSCRIZL!!!!

 

[Mazda_maniac]

This is ridiculas your like a ****** brick wall. You got two eyes, two ears for a reason. Use them more than your mouth. unsubscribe your just wasteing everybody's time, you know it all, there you happy? Noone knows anything and you are god's gift that's why you spend so much ******* time on here. Why don't you work for a car manufacturer making more than you ever would with your ****** loan bulls***. grow the **** up.

 

[StealthWyvern]

This is ridiculas your like a ****** brick wall. You got two eyes, two ears for a reason. Use them more than your mouth. unsubscribe your just wasteing everybody's time, you know it all, there you happy? Noone knows anything and you are god's gift that's why you spend so much ******* time on here. Why don't you work for a car manufacturer making more than you ever would with your ****** loan bulls***. grow the **** up.

A little upset are we?

 

[Mazda_maniac]

read the rest of this thread.
And now read this.
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=81789

There's alot of information there. Makes total sense to me but I'm wrong. even with the numerous sources.

 

[StealthWyvern]

read the rest of this thread.
And now read this.
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=81789

There's alot of information there. Makes total sense to me but I'm wrong. even with the numerous sources.

I know I was just pulling your leg.

 

[iracemine]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123650859
for thoes that dont want to be pesonaly attacked and just learn peoples opinions with an open mind(first)

 

[Hughes412]

This is ridiculas your like a ****** brick wall. You got two eyes, two ears for a reason. Use them more than your mouth. unsubscribe your just wasteing everybody's time, you know it all, there you happy? Noone knows anything and you are god's gift that's why you spend so much ******* time on here. Why don't you work for a car manufacturer making more than you ever would with your ****** loan bulls***. grow the **** up.

LOL wow you call me a brick wall but you don't budge eighter and you are still so angry. You are right, one would think you could use the brains god gave you to see that you are way off. But we all can't be right, some one has to be wrong. It just so happens to be you. And I like my job thank you very much. I don't have to worry about cut backs. So get over it.

I've given you the information that explains why these rotors (if you buy the good ones) will not be affected by the loss of material. That was what the big concern was, right? We all know that they do add SOME improvement, so that's a +. Yes some do crack, but thats what people get for buying cheap rotors.

So your claim that they do not give any improvement is just wrong. Drilled and or slotted rotors will only help NOT HURT your brekeing. If you still believe that they are for looks only they you are just saying so for the sake of arguement.

So take your own advice and get over it.

 

[Mazda_maniac]

i gave you a link to plenty of imformation. Read it. I'm not way off, and neither you. but you are off with the respect to one's opinion. I believe a few peopel agree with you and a few agree with me but the way you've handled this is ridiculas. Idid post the once comment out of anger because you did not seem to be understanding the point i was making. I assumed that because the evidence you gave not one disproved what i said. I never once said that the mass lost affected the strength, which in some cases it does, but I did however state that it will affect the heat transfer. Read the link I posted maybe read all my posts over again too cause you definately misunderstood each and every one thinking that my point was a strength factor..............hense my brick wall comment and I apologize for that but PLEASE PLEASE read things before you bash them. The only truth would be in actually controlled testing so neither of us are correct. this is a controversy everywhere.

Take the time to read this.
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123650859
It was the article I posted in here.

 

[DaveMS307]

And DaveM, your rotors were just defective plan and simple.

Actually, the rotors were not defective at all. Carbotecheng.com (great race/track day) pads recommends against drilled rotors for use with the more aggressive pads.

You dismiss my advice to the original poster incorrectly. I still KNOW that for my car with Carbotech pads (which completely eliminate fade and dramatically improved performance) cross-drilled rotors of any brand will not work well. This was the experience of everyone I talked to running on track on a regular basis running similar setups with cars that were out-brake everything on track. My opinion is that a good set of solid rotors and great pads (Carbotech XP series are amazing) are the best choice.

I only post this because I've been reading your posts and think your responses, while they may not intend to be, come across with a lack of respect for the original poster.

I will probably regret posting this follow up, but hey I'm bored waiting on the trick-or-treaters to ring the bell..

Happy Holloween to all.

 

[Hughes412]

You don't have to regret anything. I guess I didn't see the part were you said the pad rotor was a bad combo. That is possible and goes back to the R&D of the rotors. I would even think it would be ok to say that if you called the pad or rotor manufacture they might have been able to tell you what would happen. Maybe!

Actually, the rotors were not defective at all. Carbotecheng.com (great race/track day) pads recommends against drilled rotors for use with the more aggressive pads.

You dismiss my advice to the original poster incorrectly. I still KNOW that for my car with Carbotech pads (which completely eliminate fade and dramatically improved performance) cross-drilled rotors of any brand will not work well. This was the experience of everyone I talked to running on track on a regular basis running similar setups with cars that were out-brake everything on track. My opinion is that a good set of solid rotors and great pads (Carbotech XP series are amazing) are the best choice.

I only post this because I've been reading your posts and think your responses, while they may not intend to be, come across with a lack of respect for the original poster.

I will probably regret posting this follow up, but hey I'm bored waiting on the trick-or-treaters to ring the bell..

Happy Holloween to all.

 

[Rac3rX]

My warped ass stock rotors are reason enough for me.

Have you warped a set of rotors?

maybe you need drilled and or vented rotors