Dead Pope

[Glowspeedp5]

well everyone is entitled to their own opinions..especially on a subject so broad as religion. me on the other hand, believes in God b/c alot has happened/been shown to me to me that has forced me believe and have faith in Him. i dont judge people by what they believe or what they dont believe because ultimately, religion is something that no one can ever agree on...like politics

agrees......

 

[CHICO2003]

suddenly this turned into the Oprah Winfrey show.

seriously though... u gotta make up your damn mind! one minute you're a self-proclaimed asshole the next minute you're merrily skipping down the street on your way to build scrapbooks with your ex gfs.

anywayz... you shouldn't have ripped on the pope dude. (or his religion) he was a great man that did a lot of good for this F'ed up world of ours.

 

[CHICO2003]

just to add to that...

I normally wouldn't have any problem with someone ripping on Christianity (or any religion) they all have their flaws... some bigger than others... and certainly shouldn't be immune from criticism. that being said, in the wake of their leader passing, I just thought it was in bad taste. but maybe that was the point.

 

[Micah]

truth in advertising

suddenly this turned into the Oprah Winfrey show.

seriously though... u gotta make up your damn mind! one minute you're a self-proclaimed asshole the next minute you're merrily skipping down the street on your way to build scrapbooks with your ex gfs.

anywayz... you shouldn't have ripped on the pope dude. (or his religion) he was a great man that did a lot of good for this F'ed up world of ours.

Not at all man, just figured I would give examples to show why I don't feel that therapy is required for me. Talk to KzA, MPNick, and Kooldino - they all know me pretty damn well.

And 'ripping on the pope' in the beginning of this thread is offset by the comments made both by myself, and most of everyone else throughout the thread. It made for an interesting moment on the forum. I've never said that he was a horrible man - just that he was a man - imperfect like the rest of us. All I ever asked in the initial post was when he was going to die. I made the reference to the cover up of molestations, but I'm not the first or last to do so.

 

[CHICO2003]

i'll pass on the background check. as far as the whole perfect/imperfect thing goes. u do realize there are varying degrees of imperfection, right? obviously no one is perfect. but, from what I've heard and read not just recently (after all, we all go up a few pegs at the moment we pass) but years ago... this guy was about as close as one could get. think mother theresa and we're in the same ballpark. they say he'll most likely become a saint. again, whether or not you believe in any of that hocus pocus, no one could argue becoming a saint is a pretty god damned impressive! lol

i think one of the problems is that, for many of us, we've only been able to see him perform his papal duties during the last stage of his life. I've seen videos of him during his youthful stage as pope... you know, late 60s... lol and one thing's for sure, this guy was the s***. charism to spare... spoke 8 languages fluently. traveled to over 100 countries (more than any other poped) was instrumental in bringing down communism and was strongly opposed to the war in iraq. (something that seriously lessened any public perception that it was a christian vs muslim war)

anyway... let's let the man RIP. while a true christian should indeed be happy for him, even if he was really old, it's still sad to see one of our best go.

speaking of going... i'm the hell outta here. have a good sat night everyone. except micah... burn in hell sucka!!! hahahaa j/k

 

[Rainman]

While I will not take sides in the flame-war, let me say this. Even though many have disliked what Micah said, he has made more than a few people think about what they believe in, religion or otherwise. And this is the point. Any of you can say whatever you want about whatever. However, when push comes to shove, how many of you say what you say because you believe it and thought it out, or because someone said that you should believe it. In debating the issue with Micah you have forced yourself to analyze your own beliefs and values.

If nothing else, remember this. Nothing is worth anything unless it is worth fighting for. If it can't elicit strong emotion spend your time on something else.

R

 

[CHICO2003]

Personally, I think you're giving him too much credit. There are far better ways to encourage free-thinking. Kicking a guy and his religion while he's down is simply poor taste. If he had gone about it in a more classy way, I'd give him all the credit in the world. His timing would have been off, but at the same time, considering the events that just occured often times reawaken personal thoughts on the subject, it would have been acceptable. Anyway, I will give him credit for creating a thread for others to respond to. Without this sort of thing, tumbleweed would be rollin through this place.

 

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[Micah]

However, when push comes to shove, how many of you say what you say because you believe it and thought it out, or because someone said that you should believe it. In debating the issue with Micah you have forced yourself to analyze your own beliefs and values.

That is my point. I've studied a few differint religions, namely JW, Christianity, Muslim and Satanism (Anton LaVey), and the biggest thing that bugs me about anyones faith is not "what they believe" but "why they believe it". Too many people just take things they are told on the assumed or imposed authority of the person telling them what they should believe.

Just last night I was speaking to a friend about the story of doubting thomas, and also about the supposed fifth gospel of thomas. He started off telling me he went to church and learned about the story of doubting thomas. I misunderstood him and thought he was referring to the gospel of thomas and told him it wasn't in the bible. I then looked it up in my Bible and found what he was talking about and then used google to find the info on the Fifth Gospel of thomas (long story short, not in the bible, written roughly over 3 centuries after Jesus' passing). I know many people who profess to be religious, and when they marry it's a big thing in the church - and there is nothing wrong with that - but these same people couldn't begin to quote any passage of the bible, nor could they even layout a rough time line of events which take place over the course of the bibles writing. It's not a question of 'if they have faith' it's more a matter of how much importance that faith plays a part in their lives.

James 2:20 (in context verse 17 through verse 24) says that "Faith without works is dead", it's not enough to just read, nor is it enough to just believe. I have always believed that faith should be a reflection of effort. Read, study - apply. At least make an effort just once in your life to study "god's word" in the bible. Granted - some of it is much easier to understand than other parts. If you want something easy go with Psalms or Proverbs, in the end Revelations will cook just about anyone's brain. There are many differint ways to interpret the bible, but I really think people should at least try. Give it a read, glean what you can - if you don't understand something - ask someone who knows - heck ask someone who doesn't know. Get an opinion from someone else - look it up on the internet, consult a priest.

But do something to affirm your faith. It's not a matter of "why should you" but "why shouldn't you". Turn off the TV for a few hours once in a while - or just leave the bible in the bathroom and read it instead of a magazine while you're in there.

I'll digress - but go back and read what I actually said about the pope, my words may be arguably "flip" but I did not mindlessly degrade the man, I know he's done good, and I know he's done bad. He is after all - an imperfect man. But he did believe in his faith enough to spend his life exercising it.

 

[Micah]

Personally, I think you're giving him too much credit. There are far better ways to encourage free-thinking. Kicking a guy and his religion while he's down is simply poor taste. If he had gone about it in a more classy way, I'd give him all the credit in the world. His timing would have been off, but at the same time, considering the events that just occured often times reawaken personal thoughts on the subject, it would have been acceptable. Anyway, I will give him credit for creating a thread for others to respond to. Without this sort of thing, tumbleweed would be rollin through this place.

Class has never been a priority for me, and I highly doubt it ever will be. How many other Authorized Vendors frequently post cock pics on the forum - yet I'm not banned nor has my status been revoked?

As for the tumbleweed reference, yep - I do my part to spark things up once in a while. The best way to get to know forum members is to see how they wrap their minds around things, controversial topics tend to bring out real emotion and opinion as opposed to regurgitated facts when we are discussing stuff about our cars. It's hard to argue about a spark plug gap (unless you are modded - then it's up to you) when it's specified in the owners manual, but with ethics and beliefs ... the fun begins.

 

[KzA]

lofl..Yes I know Micah..Yes Micah is wierd...

But, let it be known.....Micah Will Intellectually Own You.

He really is way to intelligent for his own good..lofl

 

[cbcbd]

Don't know much about the Pope, but Mitch was a funny guy and made me laugh. Sucks that he's dead

 

[KzA]

wait mitch was the pope?

 

[cyomega]

Does anyone else think it is complete bulls*** that people are flying their flags half staff for the poop? I could understand doing so for Mitch, but not for some polish wank...

(flame)

 

[KzA]

Im polish

 

[cyomega]

Yeah but you're not a wank, and morons aren't flying the flag low because you died.

 

[KzA]

oh..aright

 

[cyomega]

oOoOooooo... negative rep.

I win.