CX5 Turbo confirmed!
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Doubtful.
If I am not mistaken, the CX-9 doesn't hit 0-60 mph under 6.0 seconds and that here, the top spec 2.5T CX-9 AWD weighs:
- 297 kg (654.77 lbs) more than top spec 2.5 NA CX-5 AWD
- 223 kg (491.63 lbs) more than top spec 2.2 D CX-5 AWD
Incidentally the 2.2D CX-5 AWD was clocked doing 0-62 mph in 7.88 seconds, this is with 140 KW (187.74 HP) 450NM (331.91 FT/LBS).
Some how an extra 30 KW (40.20 HP) less 20NM (14.75 FT/LBS) on a relatively heavy vehicle wouldn't get it below 6.0 seconds for 0-60 mph
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Also the suspension is sorted - they took the feedback on/from KE series and adjusted the KF/KG accordingly.
Most owners won't be driving it like a sports car. They wanted more comfort with some handling and that is what Mazda has done.
Most owners won't be driving it like a sports car. They wanted more comfort with some handling and that is what Mazda has done.
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The BMW facility in shitburg is huge and pumps out 500-1000 of those X series for the world. Very impressive facility. Volvo will not be making that same volume - heck they only sold ~50-60K cars in the USA alone and they are only currently planning on making 1 car there. Like most companies, Volvo will start small and ramp up production over the years - just like BMW did in the north.
BMW and Mazda are not the same company. Different sizes. BMW sells close to 3 million expensive cars a year and has a market cap of 55-60 billion. Mazda sells close to 1.5 million low cost cars and has a market cap of 7 billion. BMW also has one of the highest profit margins on all cars. Mazda can't build factories to compete with the likes of BMW or Toyota. If you look at the Mazda factory video's it is archaic. There are lots of people - way too many people actually involved in the car making processes. BMW does not do that. Heck, no company should be doing that.
Mazda did not miss the boat. As mentioned a 1000 times, this generation of the CX-5 is an absolute success. They are selling them in much larger numbers than the previous version- in almost every market. That is the point of producing something - to sell it. They need to make sure the 2.5T was not a bust. If they screw up the CX-5, they are done. Cooked and fried.
I do think the big problem for Mazda right now is that the 2.5 and the 2.5T is a dud of an engine. Too long of stroke and not rev friendly. They need to make a 2.0T or get the Sky-X to market ASAP.
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Yeah, the Mazda 6 is over 100 lbs lighter than the CX-5 and most tests is 6.2-7.2 for 0-60. I expect it will take the CX-5 0-60 time down another 1 second -say 6.8 to 7.2.
Whatever it does in 0-60, they need to make sure it is the same price as the competition (Honda, Toyota, etc).
It's not been that many years since Ford got rid of their shares of Mazda. Back then the popular belief was that Mazda was going to cease to exist as it was too small to go it alone.
Instead, around 2013 or so Mazda release the Skyactive engines and the new Mazda3, Mazda6 and CX-5. All of a sudden Mazda was back in the game with really good products.
Yeah, the zoom zoom went away because Mazda has to produce and sell enough vehicles to keep the lights on. When you're struggling to stay open you have to execute on the basics perfectly and let the low selling stuff go. Sad, for sure, but I'm still pretty impressed with how well Mazda has managed in the past couple of years given the grim assessment after Ford went away.
And extra engine was an expense that Mazda probably couldn't handle at the intro to this generation of vehicles. It was several years later that the CX-9 was released with the turbo. Again, Mazda could have slapped that into their whole line up pretty quickly but chose to wait a few years. Now that the engine is going into other vehicles it has a few years of real world testing behind it.
Yes, it's very conservative business practice. But it's kept Mazda alive.
Instead, around 2013 or so Mazda release the Skyactive engines and the new Mazda3, Mazda6 and CX-5. All of a sudden Mazda was back in the game with really good products.
Yeah, the zoom zoom went away because Mazda has to produce and sell enough vehicles to keep the lights on. When you're struggling to stay open you have to execute on the basics perfectly and let the low selling stuff go. Sad, for sure, but I'm still pretty impressed with how well Mazda has managed in the past couple of years given the grim assessment after Ford went away.
And extra engine was an expense that Mazda probably couldn't handle at the intro to this generation of vehicles. It was several years later that the CX-9 was released with the turbo. Again, Mazda could have slapped that into their whole line up pretty quickly but chose to wait a few years. Now that the engine is going into other vehicles it has a few years of real world testing behind it.
Yes, it's very conservative business practice. But it's kept Mazda alive.
7eregrine
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Nobody buying the CX5 cares about 0-60.
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This is a good time to point out that the KE, KF/KG series designations used so often by Australians mean virtually nothing to Americans. Not sure how this developed, but those model codes have never been used by Mazda (to my knowledge) in the US.
Agree for the mainstream buyers. But if they want to grow their sales numbers even further, they could create a performance trim that appeals to the fringe luxury buyers. Many of them care. Im one.
2.5T only makes sense in two trims:
Signature AWD - price $40,000 USD - all safety tech included / ventilated seats/ napa leather / japanese wood.
GT Reserve AWD - price $37,500 some of the above luxury features but missing some important ones.
FWD versions of above at a $1200 discount.
GT with 2.5NA stays at 33,xxx as top trim.
This should cover the cost on the emissions / CARB side of things as these still wont be volume sellers (likely under 20,000) And if Mazda does meet the numbers same as Acura RDX or even 50% of RDX sales - that will tell them where their buyer's buying price point is.
Its not worth putting 2.5T at GT + Tech or for anything under 36000 USD.
Signature AWD - price $40,000 USD - all safety tech included / ventilated seats/ napa leather / japanese wood.
GT Reserve AWD - price $37,500 some of the above luxury features but missing some important ones.
FWD versions of above at a $1200 discount.
GT with 2.5NA stays at 33,xxx as top trim.
This should cover the cost on the emissions / CARB side of things as these still wont be volume sellers (likely under 20,000) And if Mazda does meet the numbers same as Acura RDX or even 50% of RDX sales - that will tell them where their buyer's buying price point is.
Its not worth putting 2.5T at GT + Tech or for anything under 36000 USD.
7eregrine
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I'm specifically referring to that stat. I'm not saying we don't want performance. I just think passing power, which is what Turbos Excel at, is a feature that will appeal to many more people then 0-60.
AFAIK the rest of the world uses them including in the VIN.
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Current top grade 2.5 NA Akera here is AUD $47990.00 (USD $34510.29) driveaway pricing and the 2.2 D Akera is AUD $50990.00 (USD $36667.63)
They are saying the 2.5T will be an option on this grade and the one lower (GT).
So ~ AUD $52000.00 (USD $37393.93) driveaway pricing might be it unless the slot it between the 2.5 NA & 2.2D in terms of pricing.
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The 2.5T is a $3500 premium in the Mazda 6 and I think the price will be similar in the CX-5. I expect a starting price of ~$34,500 for the CX-5 Signature.
Ok. So....
The Mazda 6 GT went up $1300 here when the 2.5T added.
So as a guesstimate, 2.5T CX-5 GT AWD would be AUD $46590.00 (USD $33503.53)
The Mazda 6 Atenza went up $2100 here when the 2.5T added.
So as a guesstimate, 2.5T CX-5 Akera AWD would be AUD $50090.00 (USD $36020.43)
The conversion done as of the rate today.
Oh I agree. I took the 0-60 interest in this context to be shorthand for giddy-up, haha. Rarely does anyone have the need to floor it from a dead stop to 60mph.
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All I was saying is that a car can be made every minute and not risk quality flaws. No crap BMW makes a crap ton of cars compared to Mazda, I mean Mazda is what the 20th biggest automaker? Also, who cares how many Volvo sells stateside, they chose the location for other than tax breaks of course, the port, as just like BMW, most of the cars will be deported, roughly half of them actually...
Also, you*re wrong about the Volvo plant, they announced last year they were doubling their investment and making another production facility. They will now make the XC90 as well by 2021. I happened to be there installing/programming the rest of the robots the day the Governor came to make the announcement, and I will most likely be back down to work on the rest and any adjustments needed...
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Yeah, and my point is simply that you need the capital to build a factory that can pump out a car a minute. BMW has the money to do so. Mazda does not. Now their joint venture with Toyota may allow that.
That is great that Volvo is expanding its size in the CHS area. The XC90 and SC60 account for what, 100K in sales worldwide? I am sure they will expand the site and eventually create the infrastructure that will allow 500-1000 cars to get pumped out per day.
