anybody race a nissan spec v in here?

[turboge]

I am not saying that it makes all the difference, but you can not tell me that it doesn't matter quite a bit. Ask anyone who has spent a good chunk of time in autoX how much tires can make up.

Yes, and if you go out to the auto-x you can see how many people don't run the stock tires, they run Falken Azenis or Hoosiers... two very sticky tires. I will still guarantee that even if you swap these two cars tires the MSP will eat the SRT-4 for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a midnight snack.

Have you looked at the suspension? The Neon suspension has always been awesome. I am not saying the SRT4 suspension couldn't be better from the factory, but look at the motor!

Ok, are we talking about the motor now or the suspension? Because if I look at the suspension I just see the same old setup they had on the ACR's with a little bit of stiffness added. Now lets look at the motor, wow a 2.4L with a 16G turbo on it. Sure it makes some power, but if you think about it, the power level should be about 60hp higher from the factory, the 2.0 in the Eclipse w/ a 16G turbo was putting out closer to 300hp and running 12's day in and out.

Fact, this car is more about going faster in a straight line. It may turn but it will never match the precise handling of the MSP.

For the same price as the MSP you get tons of motor and some small needed upgrades for the suspension. The MSP is all suspension, not that the motor sucks, but it could use a little more juice and I don't think it is going to easy to upgrade power levels. If the factory did this in the first place.....

But what are you buying, speed or looks? I'd pass up the SRT-4 any day over the MSP. The styling is terrible and every punk kid on the block will be driving one in a matter of time. The MSP is easily upgradeable if you want to spend some money but why bother, it doesn't need to match the SRT-4 to show it up.

Do you ever read Grassroots Motorsports? I know most people respect their views and reviews a lot more than other mags because they are so into autoX and racing. It is a racing mag. I have a review that I am going to post in a minute.

Yes, actually I do. But once again, as everyone here will agree to, opinions are there for you to see, they don't tell you what to do. We can talk all day about this, and you can snicker and throw pointless verbal jabs on this forum. I'm not trying to change your mind, .85G vs .88G, tires will help but the better designed suspension will prevail on the twisties.

 

[turboge]

Braden i just got off the phone with Jaime, He told me that you own your own company called (BLP) barely legal transplant.

Yes, my company is BLT (Barely Legal Transplants).

He also stated that you own a 90 white LX with the BPt turbo and that your running 13's. Also you R using the (My Head from my old 94 Protege LX on your BPT.

Its a 91 LX with your old Bottom end and a new ported/polished head. I had the GTX Turbo bolted on and a Haltech E6K, best time was 13.73 @ 103 with a 2.2 60' on street tires.

BTW i just asked him if u came down here, and he said u did one time, long time ago. If u ever feel like doing a Meet up againg maybe Jaime, me and couple people from the navy base will meet up.

Probably won't be up in Visalia/Hanford area for a while. We'll have protege meets every now and then though. Thanks for the motor =)

 

[turboge]

Originally posted by buster
Whats wrong, Turboge? Cat got your tounge?

Sorry, I actually live outside of the boards and prefer using my tongue for other things. But I went ahead and gave you a little reply to keep you happy.

 

[SpicyMSP]

Ok thats it Turboge and I are going to end the suspence.
MSP Vs Spec V.
Your on .... again... and try not to miss a shift this time.
Lets dispell all the rumors on this thread.

 

[turboge]

I'll see you when you get home, we'll go find some nice desolate road and run a few times. I'll make sure to shift into 6th at 120 this time.

 

[tritonheat1]

I'd agree with the driver race but a less experienced driver could take a better if the lesser had the MSP. Easier to make up for mistake with a turbo and higher torque.

Speakeing of Mustangs, you should have seen the look on the guy with the mustang Corbras face after he though he had pulled away from me and then noticed I was still at his fender.

The Stock MX-6 would be drasticly outmatched by a Spec-V.

Um Ok sure yahh. The SpecV would definately outmatch my MX-6 GT.(rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl)

 

[Lawerence]

I'm not trying to change your mind, .85G vs .88G, tires will help but the better designed suspension will prevail on the twisties.

BING BING BING, we have a winner!

just look at this example, the SVT focus and SER SpecV both use the same continental tires. But everyone agrees that the SVT focus has better handling out of the box. Tires matter, but when you get down to it, its the suspension geometry that puts the tires to use...and on the MSP the suspension happens to kick serious ass.

On the other hand neons have always been notoriously good at autoXing. And I expect the SRT-4 Will probably be the best yet...but it will not touch the msp even with the same exact tires (of course it would need bigger wheels for the tires to fit, but thats beside the point).

 

[Lawerence]

Um Ok sure yahh. The SpecV would definately outmatch my MX-6 GT.(rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl)

I forgot, your car was a gift from god and can beat everything.

Have you ever ran your car at the track?
I need to update my sig, because my best stock time is a 15.1......but my best time ever (in the spec) is a 14.3

 

[buster]

Sorry, I actually live outside of the boards and prefer using my tongue for other things. But I went ahead and gave you a little reply to keep you happy.

Thanks, that was pretty much the response I suspected I would get. When you have nothing to argue, just move to personal insults.

 

[buster]

On the other hand neons have always been notoriously good at autoXing. And I expect the SRT-4 Will probably be the best yet...but it will not touch the msp even with the same exact tires (of course it would need bigger wheels for the tires to fit, but thats beside the point).

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[buster]

 

[turboge]

Thanks, that was pretty much the response I suspected I would get. When you have nothing to argue, just move to personal insults.

Not a problem, anytime.

 

[SpicyMSP]

Thanks, that was pretty much the response I suspected I would get. When you have nothing to argue, just move to personal insults.

Glad to hear you know what the system it is.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Thanks, that was pretty much the response I suspected I would get. When you have nothing to argue, just move to personal insults.

Buster....Don't be a.....BUSTER!!!

 

[buster]

Glad to hear you know what the system it is.

(yes)

 

[buster]

Yes, and if you go out to the auto-x you can see how many people don't run the stock tires, they run Falken Azenis or Hoosiers... two very sticky tires. I will still guarantee that even if you swap these two cars tires the MSP will eat the SRT-4 for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a midnight snack.



Ok, are we talking about the motor now or the suspension? Because if I look at the suspension I just see the same old setup they had on the ACR's with a little bit of stiffness added. Now lets look at the motor, wow a 2.4L with a 16G turbo on it. Sure it makes some power, but if you think about it, the power level should be about 60hp higher from the factory, the 2.0 in the Eclipse w/ a 16G turbo was putting out closer to 300hp and running 12's day in and out.

Fact, this car is more about going faster in a straight line. It may turn but it will never match the precise handling of the MSP.



But what are you buying, speed or looks? I'd pass up the SRT-4 any day over the MSP. The styling is terrible and every punk kid on the block will be driving one in a matter of time. The MSP is easily upgradeable if you want to spend some money but why bother, it doesn't need to match the SRT-4 to show it up.



Yes, actually I do. But once again, as everyone here will agree to, opinions are there for you to see, they don't tell you what to do. We can talk all day about this, and you can snicker and throw pointless verbal jabs on this forum. I'm not trying to change your mind, .85G vs .88G, tires will help but the better designed suspension will prevail on the twisties.

I still think you are not giving the SRT4 it's full deserved marks in the handling department. It is not that far off the MSP and I would be suprised if the MSP, "ate it for lunch", they are a lot closer.
The motor has LOTS of room for improvement in power and the driveline will handle more as well. Shouldn't the MSP be making more power from it's 2.0 Turbo? The suspension of the Neon is very good and it is a good thing they didn't change it, there is nothing wrong with it. I don't care if you think it is ugly, looks are subjective, and @ less than 5000 cars in the first year, I hardly think every "punk kid" is going to have one. No different than the MSP in this category as well. Your arguement is seriously flawed, and obviously you are very biased. YOU are the one who has thrown the verbal jabs here. It seems obvious to me that you need to look down your nose at every other car, and "punk kids" for some reason I can not understand.

 

[SpicyMSP]

TURBOGE SAYS:

I still think you are not giving the SRT4 it's full deserved marks in the handling department.

I gave it props, thats all I'll give it. Take a closer look before posting.

The motor has LOTS of room for improvement in power and the driveline will handle more as well. Shouldn't the MSP be making more power from it's 2.0 Turbo?

Does it? Is it proven? Where are your facts? Should the MSP be making more power? Sure, but it doesn't need it. You might want to take a look at the size of the turbo's on these motors. A small T25 on a 2.0L running 6.9psi with very light tuning, I think thats rather conservative in comparison to a 16G on a 2.4L running ... last I checked 12psi. Swap turbo's and see what happens.

The suspension of the Neon is very good and it is a good thing they didn't change it, there is nothing wrong with it.

Mute point, as we see this is an opinion.

I don't care if you think it is ugly, looks are subjective, and @ less than 5000 cars in the first year, I hardly think every "punk kid" is going to have one. No different than the MSP in this category as well.

Less than 5000, thats 100 per state, the MSP is limited to a total run of 3000 for 1 year. You better believe they will be swarming the streets of LA and other popular street racing districts.

Your arguement is seriously flawed, and obviously you are very biased.

I don't post arguments, only statements, these contain facts and opinions. If there are flaws then you should counter them instead of just saying "seriously flawed", thats just like saying "Mommy Mommy johnny hit me" and expecting her to take care of your problems.

YOU are the one who has thrown the verbal jabs here.

Hmm, I do recall a part of this post where you were looking for provocation?

What's a matter turboge, cat's got your tongue?

So try to keep the "verbal jabs" comments in the peanut gallery.

It seems obvious to me that you need to look down your nose at every other car, and "punk kids" for some reason I can not understand.

I review cars, I test cars, I tune cars. "Punk Kids" are the ones driving around altezza'd out civics, understand better? I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours. So I will let you do the same, and you can respond if you have something worthwhile to say about this topic. Otherwise, just keep reading.

 

[buster]

Originally posted by turboge Sorry, I actually live outside of the boards and prefer using my tongue for other things. But I went ahead and gave you a little reply to keep you happy.

And what is that?


1. I was talking to Turboge

2. The SRT4 motor has been running 17psi in the SCCA rally series on stock internals, not one breakdown. The 2nd stage mopar upgrade kit consists of a larger turbo, with only a cam change. The SRT4 block is iron and the pistons, etc are heavy duty items that will hold much more boost, as well as the drivetrain. What is this I hear that the MSP's axles aren't going to much more power before they snap. Or how the internals aren't going to hold more than 9-10psi? Your the one who started this point about the output.

3. Are you aware that the MSP and SRT4 have the EXACT same suspension design and similar upgrades? So calling the SRT4 suspension outdated and inferior is saying the same for the MSP?!

4. Lets be honest, the production of these cars in the first year or two are not going to all that far off each other, and appeal to a similar buyer.

5. Your statements, well most, are made without facts to back them up, and are your opinions with a heavy dose of bias.

I am only pointing out the flaws in your previous statements. Why not just admit that the facts I brought up earlier are true, and that you are not giving the performance of the SRT it's proper credit.

 

[turboge]

1. I was talking to Turboge

Posting wasn't working, I had her post for me.

2. The SRT4 motor has been running 17psi in the SCCA rally series on stock internals, not one breakdown. The 2nd stage mopar upgrade kit consists of a larger turbo, with only a cam change. The SRT4 block is iron and the pistons, etc are heavy duty items that will hold much more boost, as well as the drivetrain. What is this I hear that the MSP's axles aren't going to much more power before they snap. Or how the internals aren't going to hold more than 9-10psi? Your the one who started this point about the output.

Wow, thats awesome.

3. Are you aware that the MSP and SRT4 have the EXACT same suspension design and similar upgrades? So calling the SRT4 suspension outdated and inferior is saying the same for the MSP?!

Wow, no contest.

4. Lets be honest, the production of these cars in the first year or two are not going to all that far off each other, and appeal to a similar buyer.

Sweet.

5. Your statements, well most, are made without facts to back them up, and are your opinions with a heavy dose of bias.

Of course, you da man.

I am only pointing out the flaws in your previous statements. Why not just admit that the facts I brought up earlier are true, and that you are not giving the performance of the SRT it's proper credit.

I'm going to cry now and run away, please stop picking on my fragile mind.

 

[SpicyMSP]

#4
I dont believe that they would appeal to a similar buyer.
I have a MSP and let me tell you, there is no way in hell i would buy the srt.
Others I know ,who own MSP's also would not be caught dead in one.
The SRT is built for acceleration in a straight line, im sure of that. The type of person i see driving one of theese is a punk kid that drives to the street races on a Friday night to kick some ass, in his new Neon.
the MSP is a canyon car, and a track car. And a completely different person would be interested in it.