If i may i would like to add a little bit to this thread. I just recently purchased my MSP on 12/30 and have been real happy with it. Before this though i had a Taurus SHO i mean it is a quick car and handles nothing like the MSP. For over 2 years i have been in the SHO community and on the SHOforum.com over that time the very limited aftermarket we had got even smaller due to alot of vendor bashing. I do agree however some vendors have a hard time getting their stuff together and deserve it. I mena if you guys think the MSP has a hard after market the SHO community was down to about 4-5 major vendors that i know of and at this point there are only 2 who are developing new parts together and that is on their free time. So basically what i am trying to say is try to keep what we have alive because trust me it can get much much worse
A note about vendor bashing.
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Shadow102 said:
good friend of mine owns a SHO and echoes this sentiment as well
jurgs01 said:t3ase said:jurgs01 said:Finally T3ease, you don't have to worry about me bashing poor vendors with quality parts and good customer service like Joepanymore. In writing this post I have realized that my GF is right and posting on here is a waste of time. I am training to be a Naval Officer, and to sit here arguing with people I don't know about what is right and wrong on a car forum is something I shouldn't engage in anymore. I will do all of my correspondence when I want to buy parts via PM. I have a beautiful girl and a great job that I should be putting more time into and should have realized that a long time ago.
F*ck that, I agree with your posts! This is a forum to DISCUSS your OPINIONS! If somebody has a problem with that THEY need to grow up. This thread sucks.(flame)
Super Matty P
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I can't believe no'ones mentioned me yet.....I guess I'm not an actual vendor here so it doesn't count.
DaveB is a machining virtuoso....I know first hand that I'll his products and some of the things he was working on.
DaveB is a machining virtuoso....I know first hand that I'll his products and some of the things he was working on.
The whole deal with the Joe P FCD is the end user who did not know what the hell they were stepping into when they installed the FCD. It's the operator not the product.
The majority of the people here just go by what someone else said is ok to do to their car and ran out and bought the parts and slapped them on w/o knowing what they do and the possible consequences. Joe P's FCS works like a FCD should. Blowing your motor b/c you didnt account it leans out your A/F without supporting mods is your own ******* fault for being a self proclaimed forum tuner.
Slandering Joe P or his products or any vendor does nothing for this community. People who know a thing about cars or two don't rely on aftermarket support. But the majority of the people here do not have access or the know how to fabricate their own mods. So take what you want out of this thread.
There are the people who are serious about their car, the ones who dont half ass their s*** and go all out, but then there are the ones who will prob go as far as bolt ons. Joe P's FCS for example is a budget FCD. There are flashier and fancier FCDs. How much do you want to pay? That's just the cost for all the bells and whistles. The problem here is the mentality I want a Ferrari for the price of a Geo. You're not gonna get it. Joe P isn't here to be a charity, he is a businessman. All the vendors here are businessmen/women. Their job is to make money. So especially when the vendors say the protege market isn't very profitable and they still spend the time and money to produce parts for it, we need to learn how to communicate with them in a positive manner instead of straight out blaming them for any **** ups. It is the end users responsiblity to be informed not the sellers. Simple business law folks.
The majority of the people here just go by what someone else said is ok to do to their car and ran out and bought the parts and slapped them on w/o knowing what they do and the possible consequences. Joe P's FCS works like a FCD should. Blowing your motor b/c you didnt account it leans out your A/F without supporting mods is your own ******* fault for being a self proclaimed forum tuner.
Slandering Joe P or his products or any vendor does nothing for this community. People who know a thing about cars or two don't rely on aftermarket support. But the majority of the people here do not have access or the know how to fabricate their own mods. So take what you want out of this thread.
There are the people who are serious about their car, the ones who dont half ass their s*** and go all out, but then there are the ones who will prob go as far as bolt ons. Joe P's FCS for example is a budget FCD. There are flashier and fancier FCDs. How much do you want to pay? That's just the cost for all the bells and whistles. The problem here is the mentality I want a Ferrari for the price of a Geo. You're not gonna get it. Joe P isn't here to be a charity, he is a businessman. All the vendors here are businessmen/women. Their job is to make money. So especially when the vendors say the protege market isn't very profitable and they still spend the time and money to produce parts for it, we need to learn how to communicate with them in a positive manner instead of straight out blaming them for any **** ups. It is the end users responsiblity to be informed not the sellers. Simple business law folks.
Mental Addiction
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I have not read all 8 pages of this thread, but I would like to chime in.
Mental Addiction Motorsports has been around for 3 years and will be around until I decide the fun and the love for the sport is gone.I do this as my HOBBY.I have 3 other guys working for me(this is their ful time job).So people think that this being my hobby is unprofessional or whatever it might be.I am active duty military and am on my last few months(will be almost 8 years when i get out) of the Navy.Once I am finshed I will be headed off to the Police acad.
Most people think Mental Addiction is mainly Mazda or Mustang stuff, well that is far from the truth.90% of our income comes from making products for other companies.We build manifolds/intercoolers,etc for several BIG name companies in the SRT,EVO,Dodge and Mitsh. markets.My first 6-8 months as an AV has been great and most of my customers are great people.My satisfaction comes from seeing my customers happy with their products.What makes me upset is guys that bash them because they are tired of seeing MAM threads started by those happy customers.This makes me a bit upset.Now the last month in the Protege community has been alittle off.I have had more people call that are upset becasue they think my product isn't fitting or they think it wonr' fit.Once they calm down and I go over the instruction steps they see they didn't pay attention or just plain didn't read them.They then realize that the product fits.As for the midpipe, this has been on my mind for the last 3 weeks.I am just about ready to stop selling them because of people not paying attention or listening.One bad thing about the midpipe is that I have several header and catback manufacturers products that the midpipe must fit.If the header is off, my midpipe is off.One header that seems to cause fits is the Reactive.It sits almost 3/4" over and rests on the oil pan.Well this throws the midpipe off.Next is stock hangers and engine mounts.With the midpipe being .5" larger and weighting more(with cat) than stock the stock hangers sag.Then if their motor mounts are bad, the extra .5" from the midpipe will cause it to bang the crossmember.As you can see I'm fighting an uphill battle.So the idea of cancelling the midpipe is in the air right now.We have now sold around 35 midpipes and of those 1 was bad because of the hangers we used then.That customer got a new midpipe no questions asked..I stand behind my products and will make sure they are a quality piece that fits right.I can't do much if their mounts and hangers are no good.
Now for stories, I have many stories that will blow you away.Just when you think you have dealt with everything, something new comes along.Let me tell you about a guy off here who bought rods/pistons from me and got his order on Aug 26th 2004.On Dec 8th 2004 I see I have a chargeback for the amount of $1200.I call up and find out this guy did a chargeback because he said he never got the parts.Well he posts on here and has talked about his Oliver rods and CP pistons and how well his car is running on them..After a long battle with the chargeback he's still fighting..I don't want to go into great detail, but this is an example of people who give everyone else a bad name.
IMO if the vendor has had an order for X-amount of time, lies about shipping it, product is trash then they got what is coming.For people to post bashing a vendor because what they think is wrong or something just plain studip, then a 1-3 day ban should be handed out.If you want to see a board that is out of control with vendor bashing that is just plain uncalled for, go to the SRT forums.Their are guys over their bashing turbo manufacturers because their oil pump died in the car and the turbo is shoot because of it and it's the manufactors fault, or they hookup water lines in the oil side of the tubo and blame the manufactor..One of the BIG SRT4 vendors is heading our of that market because of BS like that.
Mental Addiction Motorsports has been around for 3 years and will be around until I decide the fun and the love for the sport is gone.I do this as my HOBBY.I have 3 other guys working for me(this is their ful time job).So people think that this being my hobby is unprofessional or whatever it might be.I am active duty military and am on my last few months(will be almost 8 years when i get out) of the Navy.Once I am finshed I will be headed off to the Police acad.
Most people think Mental Addiction is mainly Mazda or Mustang stuff, well that is far from the truth.90% of our income comes from making products for other companies.We build manifolds/intercoolers,etc for several BIG name companies in the SRT,EVO,Dodge and Mitsh. markets.My first 6-8 months as an AV has been great and most of my customers are great people.My satisfaction comes from seeing my customers happy with their products.What makes me upset is guys that bash them because they are tired of seeing MAM threads started by those happy customers.This makes me a bit upset.Now the last month in the Protege community has been alittle off.I have had more people call that are upset becasue they think my product isn't fitting or they think it wonr' fit.Once they calm down and I go over the instruction steps they see they didn't pay attention or just plain didn't read them.They then realize that the product fits.As for the midpipe, this has been on my mind for the last 3 weeks.I am just about ready to stop selling them because of people not paying attention or listening.One bad thing about the midpipe is that I have several header and catback manufacturers products that the midpipe must fit.If the header is off, my midpipe is off.One header that seems to cause fits is the Reactive.It sits almost 3/4" over and rests on the oil pan.Well this throws the midpipe off.Next is stock hangers and engine mounts.With the midpipe being .5" larger and weighting more(with cat) than stock the stock hangers sag.Then if their motor mounts are bad, the extra .5" from the midpipe will cause it to bang the crossmember.As you can see I'm fighting an uphill battle.So the idea of cancelling the midpipe is in the air right now.We have now sold around 35 midpipes and of those 1 was bad because of the hangers we used then.That customer got a new midpipe no questions asked..I stand behind my products and will make sure they are a quality piece that fits right.I can't do much if their mounts and hangers are no good.
Now for stories, I have many stories that will blow you away.Just when you think you have dealt with everything, something new comes along.Let me tell you about a guy off here who bought rods/pistons from me and got his order on Aug 26th 2004.On Dec 8th 2004 I see I have a chargeback for the amount of $1200.I call up and find out this guy did a chargeback because he said he never got the parts.Well he posts on here and has talked about his Oliver rods and CP pistons and how well his car is running on them..After a long battle with the chargeback he's still fighting..I don't want to go into great detail, but this is an example of people who give everyone else a bad name.
IMO if the vendor has had an order for X-amount of time, lies about shipping it, product is trash then they got what is coming.For people to post bashing a vendor because what they think is wrong or something just plain studip, then a 1-3 day ban should be handed out.If you want to see a board that is out of control with vendor bashing that is just plain uncalled for, go to the SRT forums.Their are guys over their bashing turbo manufacturers because their oil pump died in the car and the turbo is shoot because of it and it's the manufactors fault, or they hookup water lines in the oil side of the tubo and blame the manufactor..One of the BIG SRT4 vendors is heading our of that market because of BS like that.
Super Matty P
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Beau, my problem was never with you or your products. It was with your "representatives". You happened to "sponsor" the biggest postwhores on the forum. People with 9K+ posts have a tendancy to post about the same topics over and over again and it gets frustrating. I dropped it and moved on...can you?
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Mental Addiction said:
excellent post
I havent taken the time to read all of this post, but after reading most of them it really sucks to know people on our community have drove away vendors. I for one got alittle pissed off when i read the thread about ion performance. People bashed and bashed, i cut in to say that i purchased most of my parts from them and that they have great customer service. They mostly do WRX and we should appreciate the time Ion or any company puts into to help our cars go fast and perform better. If it makes a difference THANKYOU TO ALL THE VENDORS WHO SPEND TIME SLAVING UNDER CARS, AND WELDING PARTS TO MAKE OUR MSP BE ALL THEY CAN BE.
I actually went through and read the entire thread and am truly saddened (in the non-girly way of course 
) by the bulls*** that the vendors have had to put up with. I've never truly been hardcore into the forums and used it as a huge information resource and as access to great deals and the like. Now I'm kind of torn as to whether or not I should've been more active (or will be in the future) because if people are truly bad to some of the amazing vendors on this forum, I may be tempted to either become a raving asshole smiting everyone around me (think Boondock Saints) or just leave in discust (sp?). I'm currently leaning towards smiting simply because while my P5 is gone, I love the community and the desire to do something uncommon. My P5 was the only one like it in the US (from what I could find) and that was amazing when people asked me how I had done something or where I had gotten it. As stated, the vendors on this board are not doing this to make a living, there isn't the volume or markup for one person to make s*** at the prices people give us on here. even HiBoost, with a $4k kit, was only doing this as a side project and most of their business was from S America as I understood it (which also made Juan unavailable for 24hr-a-day service, so sorry...). The vendors I've dealt with on here do an amazing job not only getting us prices but in being part of the community too. I've yet to deal with a vendor on here that wasn't part of the community (though I'm sure there are some but I haven't run into any yet). To everyone that's read this far, please don't s*** on our vendors unnecessarily; and when necessary do so privately until it reaches a point where it becoming public is a matter of protecting the community from a bad one.
[rant] just because someone can make something at home doesn't mean that everyone can or should. I've rebuilt Honda auto trannys for myself and friends for (generally) ~$350 including buying all new parts and can do it in a weekend on most Accords/Civics. does this mean that all transmission shops should just close up their doors? NO. it means that giving my mechanical abilities I can do something most people won't consider doing, that's why there is someone out there selling it. I don't have the time or even want to spend the time to design a CAI for my SpecV or to do the trig/thermo to figure out my header. I can do most anything with metal but would rather spend the $500 to have it done for me and in a pretty package. the ability to create something oneself only means s*** if you have the desire and intention of doing it too.[/rant]
) by the bulls*** that the vendors have had to put up with. I've never truly been hardcore into the forums and used it as a huge information resource and as access to great deals and the like. Now I'm kind of torn as to whether or not I should've been more active (or will be in the future) because if people are truly bad to some of the amazing vendors on this forum, I may be tempted to either become a raving asshole smiting everyone around me (think Boondock Saints) or just leave in discust (sp?). I'm currently leaning towards smiting simply because while my P5 is gone, I love the community and the desire to do something uncommon. My P5 was the only one like it in the US (from what I could find) and that was amazing when people asked me how I had done something or where I had gotten it. As stated, the vendors on this board are not doing this to make a living, there isn't the volume or markup for one person to make s*** at the prices people give us on here. even HiBoost, with a $4k kit, was only doing this as a side project and most of their business was from S America as I understood it (which also made Juan unavailable for 24hr-a-day service, so sorry...). The vendors I've dealt with on here do an amazing job not only getting us prices but in being part of the community too. I've yet to deal with a vendor on here that wasn't part of the community (though I'm sure there are some but I haven't run into any yet). To everyone that's read this far, please don't s*** on our vendors unnecessarily; and when necessary do so privately until it reaches a point where it becoming public is a matter of protecting the community from a bad one.[rant] just because someone can make something at home doesn't mean that everyone can or should. I've rebuilt Honda auto trannys for myself and friends for (generally) ~$350 including buying all new parts and can do it in a weekend on most Accords/Civics. does this mean that all transmission shops should just close up their doors? NO. it means that giving my mechanical abilities I can do something most people won't consider doing, that's why there is someone out there selling it. I don't have the time or even want to spend the time to design a CAI for my SpecV or to do the trig/thermo to figure out my header. I can do most anything with metal but would rather spend the $500 to have it done for me and in a pretty package. the ability to create something oneself only means s*** if you have the desire and intention of doing it too.[/rant]
deckedoutmp5
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dan, i couldnt have said it better my self. all this bulls*** on the boards and the lack of real knowledge about the protege world made me get out of it. i sold my kit. and went back to racing street bikes again. sad, very sad... all this is. protege world is basically dead. no one cares about it anymore. peace- trav
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