jurgs01 said:
T3ase, gimme a break. The point of a forum is to get information out to new members who have no idea about modding and those who want more information. If you think people on here should keep their mouth shut about the quality and possible consequences of a product then you don't need to be a moderator.
You're taking my original point of this thread and twisting it all around. If you read my initial post, I say I have no problem with making problems or quality issues known.
jurgs01 said:
Cmon, driving vendors like Joep, Ion, and Essentialspeed out of here because people bash them? Who really cares?
Jurgs, keep in mind we're very close to losing another major supporter of this community which WILL piss you off when it happens.
JoeP also left this community way before you were even a thought in his mind. However, the attitude you have towards him is a great example of why.
jurgs01 said:
I could make the products Joep makes in my garage. You can get those anywhere.
As stated in my first post... Do it. Take the time to design a product or even setup a "retail" store for us. Get all of the IDs, approvals, loans, connections, credit, websites; everything. Then offer some products and deal with whiny little people like you all day who apparently know so much more than the vendor and "could do SO much better out of their garage so **** them".
Were you even around back when JoeP originally released the "FPR" kit? While that piece was made out of stuff so simple that I'm sure you could whip it out of your garage in an instant, what about the FCD? Well, you say you could do that, too but yet you're still waiting for one with a flashing light? Get real, dude.
To everyone that's said 'screw joe and his stupid valve' and is making their own boost controllers from a Home Depot parts lists, I hope everything works out for you. I, however, am not going to skimp out a few bucks for the huge potential safety issue of a $20,000 car. You're a moron if you do.
That's almost as good as the people who buy racing seats off of eBay because they wanted to save some cash. It's just moronically stupid.
jurgs01 said:
We have great vendors like Turfburn, **********, MAM, dexter, 505zoom, Leadfoot, Delivery Guy, DG Motorsports and others who provide everything we need.
Give it a few months in the current condition you people act. I know at least four of those will be gone, and I know exactly which ones, as I've been in contact with them. Then you'll have to spend the extra time bitching about the subforums instead of calling out our vendors to prove who's penis is larger.
jurgs01 said:
I'm sorry warning people about putting a FCD on their car (which could lead to $3000+ damage to some unknowing kids car) drove a vendor who makes a valve and a cheap piece of electronics away.
If you had purchased the unit itself, you'd realize that JoeP provides one piece of paper including instructions and a warning on it. There are warnings all over the forum about it. I've wrote them myself. However, never have I been in a pissing match over it, which is exactly what you did. You weren't warning, you said something, Joe corrected you and there you were again, right back on his ass.
Let me explain something to you. Do you realize that I can name off the "large" vendors that I've seen on these forums? By large, I mean companies making turbo systems or large components that would be a very expensive investment but would make our cars SO much better.
Now do you also realize that I can also subtract the amount of vendors that the attitude received on the forum, their customer contacts, and just the general vibe of this scene, have left us? When I do, I'm left with around 6-7 companies instead of the 12-14 original. Think about that before you reply with a "so, you dont know me *snap* *snap* *snap*" reply.
We have a DISCONTINUED CAR. Everyone, not just you, please get this through your head. Whether the vendor is supplying a $3.50 switch or a $7,000 turbo kit, they're all valuable because of that fact. We need all of the help we can get if we want to keep our Protege scene going. Some of you who bought their cars last year just don't get this fact. You think you can feed out all of the immature bulls*** you'd give to a Honda scene and expect nothing to happen. You're wrong. The vendors we do have mostly make their money from other people, like I mentioned with MAM before. It'd be EXTREMELY easy for them to say look, we're done with the whining and stupid drama here. Do you not realize this?
jurgs01 said:
There is a vendor building a safer one that you can turn off and on and has a warning light.
A "safer" FCD? There is no such thing. That's like saying a vendor is building a "safer" turbo kit. A FCD is dangerous, regardless of who makes it or it's bells and whistles. If you think his FCD will be "safer", I urge you to go try it as soon as it comes out. Just don't post a thread about your engine blowing when you do.
One more thing on this note, I've got my FCD wired on an incabin switch which allows it to be bypassed. If you're so ready to jump up and make one out of your garage, why didn't you think of just adding a switch? Hmm.
You could probably also wire a LED in with the proper knowledge to know when it's active.
jurgs01 said:
I hope some kid new to the forums will read my post and think twice before buying something they otherwise would think as safe.
Again, it's all over the forum.
I'm so tired of reading these forums and these threads that seem to repeat themselves. Nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions here, with the exception of the few "gods" who have blown their s*** up and have now been forced to rebuild with all kinds of new goodies. It's sad that in order to be a "god" here, you just have to take responsibility intead of taking the car to a dealership and conning them in to fixing your s***.
Every time I see a blown motor thread or a new problem, it's "take your mods off and take it back". I had to fight and pretty much threaten legal representation when my Mazda dealership failed to put fluid back in the tranny after they fixed a previous issue. Would it have been such a big issue if we didn't have so many people trying to get the best of both worlds, stock warranty and modified car? I doubt it.
No one accepts responsibility for their own actions, here. We need a warning, we need a light, we need to not have this product offered, we need a better version, we didn't get our supersize. Come on, people. Your decisions affect your life. Deal with that. I swear half of you should be driving that Hello Kitty Protege posted on the forum a while back.
I've got 90psi compression in cylinder three. Will you see me running off to the dealership after taking all of my mods off to be sneaky sneaky and get a warranty claim out of it? No. That's stupid, pathetic, and the reason why you people b**** about Mazda not wanting to warranty ANYTHING with this damn car.
jurgs01 said:
I think you are the one who needs to grow up and realize that as an adult and moderator you have an obligation to warn people of the downfalls of parts that could damage their cars.
Again, warning about downfalls is one thing and that one thing has been done, many times. IF you didn't know this, you have failed to be observant or read threads. That's not my problem.
Warning someone of a vendor's known problems is that one thing.
Bitching at the vendor directly to try to prove them wrong or to complain about something that is truly out of their control (eg: daily at ProtegeGarage), is a completely different matter.
jurgs01 said:
I can't even name a GOOD vendor who has been pushed away except for DG Motorsports (and they are back).
Then, honestly, you're not part of these forums enough to realize what we've lost. If carbon fiber gas lid covers are more important to everyone here than engine modifications or turbo kits, I'll be looking in to selling my Protege sooner than I thought because it's all downhill from here.
