2k8 MZS3 or 2k8 Cobalt SS

[flipstylex]

hhmm.... mazda ftw already, give it up !! loL

 

[Aaron2112]

ehh i think i would have to agree its just such a badass car.

 

[clos561]

get the cobalt so u can lose and feel regret after u race a ms3 (rofl)

they are both fast cars but i think the ms3 is more sexy and the ms3 can fit more sit in the trunk/hatch, and m,ore ppl comfprtably

 

[_red rocket_]

I can't believe that I have read through this entire thread and not a single person has questioned the 08 turbo Cobalt 'Ring' time of 8:22.

I am calling BS on GM on the 8:22 time. GM is wanting us to believe that the Cobalt used for the 8:22 time was a production Cobalt even though I don't believe it was ever stated. I say BS. I will only believe the balt will do that time when a production 08 turbo Cobalt gets the same time or very close to it.

Want to hear why I believe this?

Hear is a video of the 08 turbo Cobalt on the 'Ring'

2008 Turbocharged Chevy Cobalt SS (full version)

If you pay close attention, his lap starts right about 0:11 and ends at about 9:20 for a ~ 9:09:00 run on the 'Ring'.

First 1/2 of the video, no rain and you can hear the tire indicators screeching which means the tires are reaching their limits...car is being pushed hard.

Light rain does start to appear...but notice there is a significant straight during that time. It is also common knowledge that the "Ring" frequently can have rain on parts of the track. So the video posted above which has some rain is not an uncommon occurance.

Driver is talking through the video. Uh...don't Rally, F1, Nascar or ALL professional drivers talk to their Pit chiefs while racing?

Has any of you looked to see what cars can actually run the 'Ring' in a 8:22 time?


Show me a production 08 turbo Cobalt, no changing of tires, get a 8:22 time on the 'Ring' and GM will make a believer of me. Until then, GM has f'd with the 08 turbo "production" Cobalt to get the 8:22 time.


I use rental cars almost weekly on business trips and I refuse to use Cobalts. They are crap cars. Granted, the rentals are not SS trimmed. And this is unbiased as I do not own a Mazda.

 

[CHICO2003]

Valid point... someone should call Chevy and get some 'proof'.

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/sema/07sema/brands/chevrolet/index.html

 

[Vengure]

Yea I think Chevy will have the new SS out till april which I want to get my new car in Feb .... So I'm kinda ruling out the SS anyhow but its a good point to see the stock cobalt run those times. I'm sure they arent using stock tires atleast.

 

[Mocoso]

I can't believe that I have read through this entire thread and not a single person has questioned the 08 turbo Cobalt 'Ring' time of 8:22.

I am calling BS on GM on the 8:22 time. GM is wanting us to believe that the Cobalt used for the 8:22 time was a production Cobalt even though I don't believe it was ever stated. I say BS. I will only believe the balt will do that time when a production 08 turbo Cobalt gets the same time or very close to it.

Want to hear why I believe this?

Hear is a video of the 08 turbo Cobalt on the 'Ring'

2008 Turbocharged Chevy Cobalt SS (full version)

If you pay close attention, his lap starts right about 0:11 and ends at about 9:20 for a ~ 9:09:00 run on the 'Ring'.

First 1/2 of the video, no rain and you can hear the tire indicators screeching which means the tires are reaching their limits...car is being pushed hard.

Light rain does start to appear...but notice there is a significant straight during that time. It is also common knowledge that the "Ring" frequently can have rain on parts of the track. So the video posted above which has some rain is not an uncommon occurance.

Driver is talking through the video. Uh...don't Rally, F1, Nascar or ALL professional drivers talk to their Pit chiefs while racing?

Has any of you looked to see what cars can actually run the 'Ring' in a 8:22 time?


Show me a production 08 turbo Cobalt, no changing of tires, get a 8:22 time on the 'Ring' and GM will make a believer of me. Until then, GM has f'd with the 08 turbo "production" Cobalt to get the 8:22 time.


I use rental cars almost weekly on business trips and I refuse to use Cobalts. They are crap cars. Granted, the rentals are not SS trimmed. And this is unbiased as I do not own a Mazda.

I agree but GM isnt the only one doing it... Im waiting for Nissan to post 'ring times on a PRODUCTION GT-R and not on a test mule.... problem with test mules is you dont know what tires they put on the thing or what they did to the weight, suspension, engine tuning....reality is production times may be lower/greater than mule times depending on what test rig they have setup that day.... it does make for great marketing hype tho....

And I dont know what marketing BS GM may or may not pull with the Cobalt but with the vette they usually end up being extremely conservative on the specs they put out... marketing hype can backfire rather badly when used in the wrong vehicle...

 

[Donas64]

They need to do a followup to this commercial now that little bro cobalt has beefed up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wMFB5vWBTE

 

[Mocoso]

They need to do a followup to this commercial now that little bro cobalt has beefed up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wMFB5vWBTE

LOL! had forgotten about that commercial...they will have to redo it with the SS version of the vette (850HP supercharged beast... ah rumors got to love em)

Ill stick to the MS3... any punk ass sibling that hits the rear end of a vette deserves a timeout at the dealer

 

[_red rocket_]

...And I dont know what marketing BS GM may or may not pull with the Cobalt but with the vette they usually end up being extremely conservative on the specs they put out... marketing hype can backfire rather badly when used in the wrong vehicle...

The difference is the Corvette is a proven leader car around the world, not just the US. And it seems the C6 has cemented that leader role. How much do you hear about the Viper in the last year? The Cobalt...well it desperately needs marketing hype...wasn't the whole Cobalt SS almost killed?

I agree that test mules do slightly fudge the numbers, but I am thinking we are seeing a whole new low (or high) in 'Ring' number fudging to boost that marketing hype prior to the new car's release by GM. GM as a whole is struggling is it not?

What's the saying...All publicity is good publicity. GM's marketing group for the Cobalt is having wet dreams because of that 'Ring' time. Lots of teens and early 20s lining up to get their hands on a "proven" race car for cheap when it's released. Hell, here we are talking about the Cobalt. GM's marketing team has done their job.

 

[Mocoso]

The difference is the Corvette is a proven leader car around the world, not just the US. And it seems the C6 has cemented that leader role. How much do you hear about the Viper in the last year? The Cobalt...well it desperately needs marketing hype...wasn't the whole Cobalt SS almost killed?

I agree that test mules do slightly fudge the numbers, but I am thinking we are seeing a whole new low (or high) in 'Ring' number fudging to boost that marketing hype prior to the new car's release by GM. GM as a whole is struggling is it not?

What's the saying...All publicity is good publicity. GM's marketing group for the Cobalt is having wet dreams because of that 'Ring' time. Lots of teens and early 20s lining up to get their hands on a "proven" race car for cheap when it's released. Hell, here we are talking about the Cobalt. GM's marketing team has done their job.

Yes I dont disagree.. wasnt intending to defend GM only to expand on your comments and agree that TOO MANY companies are using the 'ring times as marketing tools and fudging the tiimes... IMHO Nissan is doing the same with the GT-R (and Ill gladly eat crow when I see production numbers)

 

[Vengure]

Marketing is king these days but however if product doesn't meet the level expectaations people will sadly be dissapointed. Even with the let down of true performance you still have buyers psyched with hype... Bandwagons are somthing I dispise I'm more of a totally unbiased buyer who is gonna go with who ever gives me the most perforamnce for the $.

 

[CantCMe]

i just read some details on the new SS vehicles from chevy.

no LSD.

damn...260hp fwd and NO LSD? That's nuts...

MS3 all the way.

 

[Vengure]

There is a LSD not to lean more towards the chevy just settings facts straight.

 

[clos561]

there is lsd option...

 

[Vengure]

Actually I was told its standard at first now I see its optional lol GM is pretty sad if they dont make it a standard option.

 

[CHICO2003]

Not to switch the subject or anything but has anyone seen the new Volvo S30? Looks like it'll be competing with the likes of the Mini Cooper and GTI... really cool looking but the interior sort've blows. The reviews are sort of trashing it's performance capabilities as well. But still! looks badass

 

[shockdoctor]

I'm currently debating between these two cars its hard to honestly weigh out one or the other but are turbo and similar HP. However the SS posted a faster time on the Nurburging that alot of high end peices at 8:22. The MZS3 posted a 8:39 if i remember correctly. My main deciding factor is not on some simple lap times but more about dealer location and service. I have a good chevy dealer locally,closest mazda speed dealer is 2.5 hours away and I was told by the local mazda dealer only mazda speed can work on the MZS3. This was kind of a let down. I considered the civic SI for a while but ruled it out b/c of lack of performance in my book for sheer upgradability and overall TQ. So I was hoping to get a few opinions and see what you guys might have to say.

Regards, Ven

Go with the Cobalt.

I won't regret it.

I love my speed3.

You should buy a Chevy. The resale is really good for a Chevy. Get a yellow one. Grow a big mullet. Go away. Soon.(gtfo)


P.s. Forgot to introduce myself I've read a few posts here and it seems there is a pretty neutral crowd here and that always good to see.

 

[shockdoctor]

I never said this.(shrug)

 

[sfalexi]

I never said this.(shrug)

I mean yes I did.

I mean, well, unless somebody added to the bottom of the quote.

Um . . .

(boom07)