13 sec. 1/4 mile?

[Pkay]

when you run drag slicks or radials with alot more power then a stock msp, the axles are most definately not going to last..

A lot more power than a stock MSP isn't exactly a whole lot of power to be woring about snapping an axle. We're talking less than 240hp at the wheels. Regardless of what kind of tires you're using you don't need to be worried about snapping an MSP axel.

 

[mp5jeff]

how many msp's with 220+whp have ran slicks/radials? just out of curiousity...my guess is none, i doubt the axles will hold up with that power on those axles, i could be wrong though.

 

[Pkay]

how many msp's with 220+whp have ran slicks/radials? just out of curiousity...my guess is none, i doubt the axles will hold up with that power on those axles, i could be wrong though.

snapping axels requires more than just slicks/radials and 65 extra HP.

We're not talking about a torque monster here. While a flashed MSP does have a lovely torque jump, far from enough (especially at under 240hp) regardless if combined with slicks to warrant an axel snapping

 

[mspeed101]

Just to be clear here, those mods will get you INTO 13's, they will not get you 13 sec! Your posts seem to indicate that you wanna run a 13 sec 1/4 time, which is far more expensive than running a 13.99 hehe.
My bad let me clarify that better I want to get into the 13s.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

Yea

(wrc) YOU CAN DOOOOO ITTTTTTTTT.

 

[mspeed101]

TIRES!
Traction is what is keeping most low 14 second MSP owners out of the 13s.
3in exhaust, 12psi, and tires will get you there.

What kind of tires is best to use with the stock rims? A buddy of mine is getting Nitto Neo Gens on his speed would those be good? I tryed looking for drag radials but couldnt find any that will fit the stock rims

 

[gboromsp]

Why do you think that you have to have forged internals to break into the 13's. I am fairly confident that i'll break into the 13's with my fmic, dp, catback, ebc @ 10psi, and my 15 inch subzeros with bfg drag radials. Maybe i'm crazy but i'll be very close.

 

[mspeed101]

I think you would need fuel management way before you need forged internals.

 

[mp5jeff]

forged internals would be a waste(if you are looking for 13's only), there are people running 15psi on stock internals,the turbo loses efficiency after that anyhow, although if you are looking for reliability then yes, forged is the way to go.

 

[Mr. Win]

forged internals would be a waste(if you are looking for 13's only), there are people running 15psi on stock internals,the turbo loses efficiency after that anyhow, although if you are looking for reliability then yes, forged is the way to go.

i dont know that anyone here isnt going for reliability. no one above has picked an msp for drag application only as least i hope not.

 

[quietflow]

You may snap an axel after repeatded hard launches with DR or Slicks, but for the average trip to the track I dont think there will be an issue. I agree forged internals are not required but once you blow the motor, then switch to them, because more than likely you will have engine trouble running high boost with A MSP. They are not designed to be drag racing machines, but are very nice cars none the less. Good Luck on the 13 sec quest!!!!

 

[Pkay]

Why do you think that you have to have forged internals to break into the 13's. I am fairly confident that i'll break into the 13's with my fmic, dp, catback, ebc @ 10psi, and my 15 inch subzeros with bfg drag radials. Maybe i'm crazy but i'll be very close.

most people to get that fast are gonna be boosting over 10psi or have a different turbo all together. We all know how many blown engines we've seen once you get above that point.



The guy asked what he should spend the cash on and if he's intending for his car to be in the 13's it'd be a nice safety precaution to have. Sure as hell beats a couple grand replacing an engine.

 

[Pkay]

forged internals would be a waste(if you are looking for 13's only), there are people running 15psi on stock internals,the turbo loses efficiency after that anyhow, although if you are looking for reliability then yes, forged is the way to go.

im guessing you don't own an msp

boosting over 9psi given our ECU and general fuel makeup is flirting with a blown motor. There are plenty of people who have blown our engines at 9-10psi and barely hitting low 14's. If you're going for a car hitting the 13's you're gonna be boosting a bit higher and you're gonna want forged internals if you wanna keep your current engine.

 

[Puckpimp71]

With an MBC, FMIC, and a nice large Turbo back exhaust, you'd probably want some more solid motor mounts to help get the power to the wheels, then to the ground.... less engine movement means better reaction time... I wouldn't be surprised if you got into the high 14's with just motor mounts alone, based on your 15.06.

 

[mp5jeff]

im guessing you don't own an msp

boosting over 9psi given our ECU and general fuel makeup is flirting with a blown motor. There are plenty of people who have blown our engines at 9-10psi and barely hitting low 14's. If you're going for a car hitting the 13's you're gonna be boosting a bit higher and you're gonna want forged internals if you wanna keep your current engine.

no i don't, im happy with my boosted p5

also, instead of forged internals wouldn't it be alot better to get a stand alone or piggyback?? even with forged internals without something to tune the car with they would render USELESS(ok maybe not totally useless but you get my idea)! getting forged internals doesn't automatically alow you to crank the boost you know...

 

[Pkay]

no i don't, im happy with my boosted p5

also, instead of forged internals wouldn't it be alot better to get a stand alone or piggyback?? even with forged internals without something to tune the car with they would render USELESS! getting forged internals doesn't automatically alow you to crank the boost you know...

Right but then you're tuning your car to avoid detonation and not aggressively tuning your car. Get forged internals and you can push the envelope a bit.

Our internals are weak..... you can't tune around that. Regardless if you're dropping enough money on it to be needing a power fc buying forged internals isn't gonna be a huge deal.

 

[mp5jeff]

power fc works on a msp?

 

[2K3 MSP]

Haven't you seen how many people have hit low 14's with MBC, intake, DP, and exhaust??
If anyone was a good driver, they could break into the 13's with simple mods. With all the stuff I have done, I'm hoping to hit 13's on street tires. It's really not that hard. I'm boosting 10psi everyday, and haven't had the slightest hint of detonation. Discreet is doing that, plus 15psi when racing. All the talk of motors blowing is pointless. It's not a matter of us running above 9psi being lucky, it's just that some of you guys that blew motors were unlucky. Just my opinion though...

 

[Pkay]

getting forged internals doesn't automatically alow you to crank the boost you know...

and getting a power fc doesn't mean you can do whatever you'd like to your car and have no fear of detonation.

Getting forged internals does mean you can boost 10psi and not be in fear of trashing your engine.

 

[mp5jeff]

Right but then you're tuning your car to avoid detonation and not aggressively tuning your car. Get forged internals and you can push the envelope a bit..

not really, if you get a piggyback/stand alone you can tune however you want to really.... also a wideband would be good idea to acctualy see what the a/f ratios are, and a egt would be nice also =)