Why Are Torque Specs Such A Guarded Secret?

[cheap]

btw, Edwin... what do you do for a living? Telemarketer or email spam list manager?

 

[randyscycle]

Wow! I can't believe anyone has the nerve to come on here, berate everyone because they are too cheap to buy a manual, then complain even more when no one will help him, or give him what he wants. What a crybaby.

What's more, I can't figure out why his roommate can't use the internet himself and find his own info. But, I guess birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe you should go back to your Mustang forum and hang with your other like-minded cheap buddies and swap stories about how all the Mazda forum guys are a bunch of a**holes.........

 

[cheap]

Believe it. I've got nerve oozing from my pores.

I'm not so much concerned with this whole situation as YOU should be - I don't own a Mazda, and as such the lack of these essential torque values won't prevent me from taking MY car to the track. The entire reason I am even here in the first place is because, after my roommate tried asking nicely about everywhere he could for some help and met with such resistance, I had to see for myself if you all really were as bad as he said or if he just wasn't putting forth enough effort.

The thing that I am most amazed with is not that you won't help ME, but that you wont help your fellow Mazda owners. I expected to not see any significant contributions in my attack thread, but I hoped at least I would open your little shielded minds to the fact that you are all either douchebags or associating with douchebags! I am also continuously surprised at the overall lack of reading comprehension and intelligence... we have established that our dilema is not a matter of being cheap, but that Mazda USA in general sucks big fat donkey nuts and that shop manuals for 2003 MSPs are not available. At least, not in our area. I congratulate you on your good fortune if you were able to procure a shop manual containing this vital information yourself... and in fact, if anyone has one FS I can pass on your info to my roommate and perhaps assist in completing a successful transaction. Unless, of course, you don't own a shop manual yourself and you simply posted in this thread because you felt your opinion was soooo special and simply had to be known by everyone, in which case I would tell you along with all the other princesses that opinions are like assholes, cuz everybody has one.

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

Flywheel Torque- 70-75ft/lbs.
Main Caps- Tighten all to 12.7-16.2ft/lbs in sequence then another 90 degrees more. (Torque to yeild bolts)
Connecting Rods- Tighten to 16.3-19.8ft/lbs then another 90degrees more. (torque to yeild bolts)

The sequence for the main caps is: (H is Harmonic Balancer, F is Flywheel)

H-4-2-1-3-5-F

 

[StealthWyvern]

Dude try goign to a local shop and see if they will give them to ya for free if not for a little fee. I'm sure a local show that has All-Data will have acess to it.

 

[supa saiyan pr5]

[torque spec]...If I had that info..I would have given him it 3hrs ago.....placed the words in bold so it comes up on future searches


thanks blkzoomzoom

Jeremy

Flywheel Torque- 70-75ft/lbs.
Main Caps- Tighten all to 12.7-16.2ft/lbs in sequence then another 90 degrees more. (Torque to yeild bolts)
Connecting Rods- Tighten to 16.3-19.8ft/lbs then another 90degrees more. (torque to yeild bolts)

The sequence for the main caps is: (H is Harmonic Balancer, F is Flywheel)

H-4-2-1-3-5-F

 

[cheap]

thank you sir! My roommate is very appreciative.

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

No problem. For the record its almost impossible to get a service manual for the fs/de. The last one we have at work is for a 97.
The part number on the book i have is: 9999-95-193D-98

 

[TheMAN]

Believe it. I've got nerve oozing from my pores.

I'm not so much concerned with this whole situation as YOU should be - I don't own a Mazda, and as such the lack of these essential torque values won't prevent me from taking MY car to the track. The entire reason I am even here in the first place is because, after my roommate tried asking nicely about everywhere he could for some help and met with such resistance, I had to see for myself if you all really were as bad as he said or if he just wasn't putting forth enough effort.

The thing that I am most amazed with is not that you won't help ME, but that you wont help your fellow Mazda owners. I expected to not see any significant contributions in my attack thread, but I hoped at least I would open your little shielded minds to the fact that you are all either douchebags or associating with douchebags! I am also continuously surprised at the overall lack of reading comprehension and intelligence... we have established that our dilema is not a matter of being cheap, but that Mazda USA in general sucks big fat donkey nuts and that shop manuals for 2003 MSPs are not available. At least, not in our area. I congratulate you on your good fortune if you were able to procure a shop manual containing this vital information yourself... and in fact, if anyone has one FS I can pass on your info to my roommate and perhaps assist in completing a successful transaction. Unless, of course, you don't own a shop manual yourself and you simply posted in this thread because you felt your opinion was soooo special and simply had to be known by everyone, in which case I would tell you along with all the other princesses that opinions are like assholes, cuz everybody has one.

no, the problem is you do not know how to present your question in an acceptable manner, thus you got your answer in an unacceptable manner.... garbage in, garbage out!

ALL of the shop manuals for the MSP *are* available... people who say they don't exist are the people who aren't looking hard enough
and apparently, you got more money than brains because you seem to think that you HAVE to *drive* to a dealer to order a manual when there's TWO officially known mazda dealers on THIS BOARD that sells mazda parts... have you gave this matter more thought, you could've just ordered a manual from them instead

I DON'T post that info because I feel that the information can easily be misinterpreted and people who are doing that work on their own can cause more damage than good... point of the matter is, half the people on this board are very visual people, hence why there's how-tos for the most simple things instead of a written set of instructions... giving this information away is like giving a set of keys to your kid who hasn't even been taught how to drive yet... the manual CLEARLY labels which bolt has what torque spec in an actual diagram, making mistakes not as likely... I DO NOT like the idea of ambiguity or "unknown margin of errors", these potential misinterpretations are considered in my book unnecessary risks, so I feel it is irresponsible to post that info... there IS such a thing as being too helpful

but now that cat's out of the bag, if people snap bolts in half or their engine flys apart a day after they put it together, don't say I didn't warn you!

BUY THE MANUAL AND SAVE YOURSELF THE TROUBLE
the authorized vendors CAN help you obtain a manual!

 

[TheMAN]

No problem. For the record its almost impossible to get a service manual for the fs/de. The last one we have at work is for a 97.
The part number on the book i have is: 9999-95-193D-98

it's not impossible to get IF the dealership employee KNOWS how to get them!
there's still plenty available and it is the LATEST manual available... it was revised in september 97 but it has nothing to do with "a 97"... if whoever dealer is selling diecast models, coffee mugs, etc, they ought to know how to order a manual... if they don't then they're either too stupid or they don't want to sell it to you

 

[randyscycle]

If this guy went into the local dealership with the same attitude he came here with, its my guess the guy behind the counter didn't have any interest in helping out at all, and with good reason.

The generous use of the word "douchebag" shows who the real "asshat" is.......

 

[randyscycle]

it's not impossible to get IF the dealership employee KNOWS how to get them!
there's still plenty available and it is the LATEST manual available... it was revised in september 97 but it has nothing to do with "a 97"... if whoever dealer is selling diecast models, coffee mugs, etc, they ought to know how to order a manual... if they don't then they're either too stupid or they don't want to sell it to you

Agreed fully......With 20 yrs experience as an ASE MasterTech, I have seen the dealers who are into selling cars, and the ones selling service. It makes a huge difference, and there is always someone else to do business with down the road.

 

[MrDiggler]

You'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar. This could have gone a lot smoother for you. You lost me at "douchebag", and I saw your responses coming a mile away.

I'm a member of two other automotive forums and a couple of non-auto forums, and this one here shows a lot of class and "brotherhood" considering the average age of the members. Ironically, I like it here because we don't have many people that act like you, and am glad you're just passing through. Good luck with the rebuild and with the removal of that large chip from your shoulder.

 

[Bala]

You'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar. This could have gone a lot smoother for you. You lost me at "douchebag", and I saw your responses coming a mile away.

I'm a member of two other automotive forums and a couple of non-auto forums, and this one here shows a lot of class and "brotherhood" considering the average age of the members. Ironically, I like it here because we don't have many people that act like you, and am glad you're just passing through. Good luck with the rebuild and with the removal of that large chip from your shoulder.

Well put.

 

[cheap]

blah blah blah, yeah Im an asshole. I'm glad you all think you know what's best for your fellow "brothers" without knowing jack crap about their experience levels and skills, methods of learning, etc etc. Fact of the matter is, it took one generous person to answer a question that I am not the first person to ask, while it is obvious it wasn't unknown info and yet wasn't answered anyways. Asking nicely didn't work for your "brothers", so I took a different approach. Looks like you CAN catch more flies (and torques specs) with vinegar.

Thanks again to Blkzoomzoom, a member that people can count on and a valuable contributor to a seemingly otherwise useless forum.

 

[KonspiracyImage]

The End!

 

[Brian MP5T]

This Thread Kicks Ass.

I agree with Edwin...A Bit here.

 

[low_psi]

See, Edwin could had posted what BlkZoomZoom posted but instead he had to act like an arrogant asshole... thus starting a s*** storm.

 

[atticus1398]

Hey Edwin,
Seriously, could you post the part # for the shop motor rebuild manual? I'm going to find one tommorrow. Unless any vendors are around.




Thanks,
Shane

 

[TheMAN]

look on post 28