What power should i be putting down?

im not a turbo guru but what i caught from neox is that larger turbos are about more air flow than pressure.
 
I'm not going to explain it again...

also narrowband = inaccurate and useless...its a lightshow, get rid of that
 
ok, maybe if I relate it to a physical example you can see what I mean

first lets relate it to water in a hose (though air does not flow like water, it explains this in a way that you can visually understand)

say you have a hose with 2" diameter and you run 10 psi of water through it, then compare that with a hose with a .5" diameter and run 10 psi of water through it....the later is going to kick out a shitload of pressure but not a large volume of water

make sense?


you make power from a combination of pressure and volume, volume affecting the output greater...you don't need 10 psi of air from a t28 to make the amount of power from 10 psi on a t25

YES you are putting more stress on the motor with a t28 at 10 psi, which can result in blowing your motor...but past experience shows that a t28 at 10psi is generally safe on these motors, most run it fine


(now air doesn't flow the same as water flows, before guys with majors in aerodynamics come and bash me for relating the two together than generically...but it gets the point across)
 
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I think he was referring to the fact that I explained it again after he said 'can you explain it again' sarcastically =P
 
To introduce a little more technicality than neox did (if it helps get the point across), the critical quantity with regards to airflow is the mass of air you're pumping into the engine (how many air molecules).

Generally, a smaller turbo is less efficient at flowing large volumes of air, and this loss of efficiency means that the air is heated more as it's compressed. As we all know, warm air is less dense than cool air. This is true at atmospheric pressure (why we use CAIs on N/A motors) and also on turbo cars--since warm air at 10psi is less dense than cool air at 10psi.

Thus, a larger turbo is generally going to flow a larger mass of air at a given pressure as a smaller turbo at the same pressure, and why you can't necessarily equate 10psi on a gt28 (for example) to 10psi on the stock turbo. Another reason you can't directly compare them, as far as safety goes, is that since the 10 psi charge from the small turbo is hotter, your chances of predetonation start to increase. Since the larger turbo delivers air at a cooler temperature, you may be able to flow a higher mass of air safely, meaning more safe power--depending on the particular motor's weak points.


Disclaimer: I'm by no means an expert on turbos... just going off what I've learned over the past year or so, and an engineering background.
 
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indeed
efficiency plays a huge roll

the less stress you put on the turbo to put out a certain amount of power the less stress the turbo will put on your motor is another factor
 
ahhh i totally got u guys now... wow do i feel rly rly dumb lol... i wasnt thinking of it like tht... well im deff gonna take ur advice i just got my boost controller so everything is gonna b set up hopefully thjis week and ya i kno the narrow band is pretty much pointless lol i didnt put it in lol... im redoing alot of what was dont to the car b4 i got it.... the car is gonna b gettin parked over this winter and gettin a full tear down of the motor and im gonna get exactly wht is in it lol... im gonna add a wide band gonna move the boost gauge from its current location by the radi and relocate to the steering collum with a dual pod for the oil pressure too... see i've only had 1 boosted car b4 this and learned as much as possible with tht and now with this one im gonna do it rioght with out dropping a ton of money into it... mostly get it clean lookin and performe right... im use to building N/A VW rabbits lol... 84 rabbit puttin down 200whp on a 14,000 dollar engine lol... but ya thnx to neox for ur help in my ignorance lol... i am a bit of a slow learner sometimes lol... so i thank you and btw a friend of mine is opening a shop by me so i will b dynoing there in mid december and i promise to put up numbers and start a "rebuild" thread to make the car my own lol
 
ya deff i cant wait to get it on the dyno... its not gonna b till like mid december but it'll deff b on it the first day his shop opens lol... so ya soon enough im gonna do a "rebuild" thread with making the car my own... starting with a fmic
 
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