What have you done to your MSP today?

[Valk]

Just put your phone on a tripod or somwthing and drive by it. People always stick the phone/camera right up the cars ass or in line of the exhaust. Thus the bad sound. You might also cover the mic with a screen.. sock ect. Prevents blowy noises.

Definitely interested in a one peice midsection. I kinda figured it was made of offcuts heh.

 

[thepope540]

Just put your phone on a tripod or somwthing and drive by it. People always stick the phone/camera right up the cars ass or in line of the exhaust. Thus the bad sound. You might also cover the mic with a screen.. sock ect. Prevents blowy noises.

Definitely interested in a one peice midsection. I kinda figured it was made of offcuts heh.

I'll see what I can come up with for sound recording. The two most important things are never heard in a video anyway though - drone and overall intensity are completely lost on exhaust videos.

Even if it weren't built from "left-overs" it wouldn't actually be any different. I would just have a big pile of 180 degree bend scraps.

 

[Valk]

If you get the mandrel bending sorted I might want one for both cars. All I want for the p5 is a middle pipe that mates to your downpipe and stock muffler.. doesn't even have to be 3" the whole way. A 2.5 with 3" reducer would be fine.. just want cheap and easy.
I'm thinking of doing something silly with msp.. twin turbo. Silly..

 

[hornsfan10609]

Do you think our MSPs can fit 17x10 rims with rear fenders rolled? I'm looking at some BBS's.

LOL, no way Jose. Car will look like a truck from south of the border with 10" rims sticking out the sides. 8" is as wide as you can fit without coilovers, 9" won't fit inside the fender even with coils and regardless would require a LOT of negative camber.

 

[hornsfan10609]

If you get the mandrel bending sorted I might want one for both cars. All I want for the p5 is a middle pipe that mates to your downpipe and stock muffler.. doesn't even have to be 3" the whole way. A 2.5 with 3" reducer would be fine.. just want cheap and easy.
I'm thinking of doing something silly with msp.. twin turbo. Silly..

Silly is an understatement, like a compound setup? Not many people do a twin setup with a single bank of cylinders.

 

[Valk]

Why not two little guys in parallel? Was thinking sequential but too difficult to plumb I'd think.
You could add flow capacity without adding a ton of psi or pushing spool time to the moon.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

I did the A/C flicker fix mod today with Zealous. sooo much better in a Florida Summer

 

[thepope540]

Why not two little guys in parallel? Was thinking sequential but too difficult to plumb I'd think.
You could add flow capacity without adding a ton of psi or pushing spool time to the moon.

That would make for an interesting setup, but I don't know that you would really enjoy it more than a well thought out single setup. It would be a ton of work and expense, but the FS and transmission are the limiting factors that would keep you from really making the power to justify the effort. Its one thing to explain why your modified car only makes 250-300 hp its a whole other issue to explain why your wildly custom twin turbo 4 cylinder only makes 300 hp.

 

[Valk]

twin turbo supras dont make much more than that.. from the factory.. heh.

I dont think it would be that difficult to accomplish. two runners spin this turbine, other two do this one. compressors feed a single intercooler. boost is controlled electronically as you could have twice the throughput from two compressors. double the airflow without increasing the pressure. obviously the spoolup time would be slower but not so much as a really big turbo like a 3071 ect. seen it on an evo dyno that claimed 600hp from 3000 rpm lol. pretty cool.

since i have a spare trans on the lawn though, i might investigate what has to be done to the case to get power to the back side. ive seen trans with two platemods, so i dont see it being terribly difficult to add another set of bearing carriers and outdrive to power the rear. sure it wouldn't be smart awd but fun just the same.

 

[hornsfan10609]

Don't try to compare the 2JZ GTE Supra to the MSP.

Go for it if you want but pope is completely right, considering the limitations of the drivetrain, a single turbo setup will already far exceed them.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

I've read an article about a miata swapping a Honda V6 motor used in a ton of minivans and sedans that range from 240hp-300hp. They used just an adaptor plate for the trans so it'll fit and they said the clutch and radiator cud take the new motor. I was thinking could this be possible with a MSP?

 

[thepope540]

I've read an article about a miata swapping a Honda V6 motor used in a ton of minivans and sedans that range from 240hp-300hp. They used just an adaptor plate for the trans so it'll fit and they said the clutch and radiator cud take the new motor. I was thinking could this be possible with a MSP?

Possible, yes, reasonable no. It would take 100s of hours of effort and design along with thousands of dollars to build a single setup. This isn't an issue in the miata world because there are a crap ton of them and over time the development cost will be recovered through dozens of sales. If you want a different drive train there are two options:

1. KL swap - I've done it, it was fun, it sounded great - I'm sticking to the FS for this one because its MUCH simpler to achieve what I want.
2. Buy a different car.

AWD and RWD are pipe dreams - buy a different car
Huge power is unreasonable - buy a different car

The msp is what it is and trying to change that is an exercise in frustration. Maximize the fun and reliability of the platform Mazda provided or get something else. I've had a lot of something elses and the msp is a great mix of practicality and fun. Its light, quick, and handles great. It has shortcomings, but they can be fixed much cheaper than trying to redesign the car into something else. Shoot you could buy a decent WRX for $3000 and keep the msp for less than most swaps would cost. If the wrx is the benchmark, the msp is much more fun, but the WRX has more potential (I've had 3 wrxs and 5 msps over the last 7 years - I speak from experience).

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

Thank you for your input. I like wrx's. But they're all $5000+ in Florida. I wud absolutely keep the msp as a daily (lightly DD modded) and maybe build the wrx, either a wrx or 300zx twin turbo. I get a feeling the twin turbos are gonna be worth a very pretty penny in the future. All the other twin turbos out there are: supra mk4, rx7 Fd, skyline, and BMW 335. Keep in mind I might be doing this years from now.

 

[00RS03MSP]

Possible, yes, reasonable no. It would take 100s of hours of effort and design along with thousands of dollars to build a single setup. This isn't an issue in the miata world because there are a crap ton of them and over time the development cost will be recovered through dozens of sales. If you want a different drive train there are two options:

1. KL swap - I've done it, it was fun, it sounded great - I'm sticking to the FS for this one because its MUCH simpler to achieve what I want.
2. Buy a different car.

AWD and RWD are pipe dreams - buy a different car
Huge power is unreasonable - buy a different car

The msp is what it is and trying to change that is an exercise in frustration. Maximize the fun and reliability of the platform Mazda provided or get something else. I've had a lot of something elses and the msp is a great mix of practicality and fun. Its light, quick, and handles great. It has shortcomings, but they can be fixed much cheaper than trying to redesign the car into something else. Shoot you could buy a decent WRX for $3000 and keep the msp for less than most swaps would cost. If the wrx is the benchmark, the msp is much more fun, but the WRX has more potential (I've had 3 wrxs and 5 msps over the last 7 years - I speak from experience).

Dude! I definitely agree with your statement! I'm keeping my MSP somewhat lightly modded to keep it a reliable dd and I'm in the works of getting my 2000 Impreza RS turboed! The MSP is definitely a great all around car that's for sure.

 

[Valk]

I was thinking of an impreza to replace the p5 in a few years. Prob wouldn't get a wrx though. Would want a reliable cheap to run car after msp is done for weekends/summer fun. Though a cx5 is kinda tempting too.. cheap to run.. looks great... meh.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

Talking about the lightly modded MSP, would upgrading to a Pope exhaust mani and a downpipe cause more stress on the car (without being internally forged)? And would I be at 200hp? Right now I got a short ram intake, FMIC, and a straight back exhaust with cat deletes and I believe I'm at least at 180-185hp.

 

[Valk]

no idea what power you will make. visit a dyno, but those additions to the mods you already have will be pefectly safe. it will just breath better. if you have an ems or some kind, you could raise the boost a little, which would help you get closer to the 200 mark. power to the wheels is what matters though... when i dyno'd mine in stock trim, it only put 136/154 to the wheels. i dont think simply bolting stuff on without a ems/tune/more boost would add almost 70 hp =)

and as for the point of twins.. there really isnt a point per say.. much like most of you guys with 300hp single setups have no point. in my area there are way way way too many cops for me be pushing speed even on the empty highway, they just fly over and ticket you. they use drones lol...

doing twin turbo would be about doing something no one really has done before to a car no one really knows about. honestly, it doesn't matter what i do to the msp as most people have never heard of it and will just consider it a pretty yellow mazda protege that i spent way too much money on. not dissimilar to a highly modified civic...

Id see the twins having the benefit of more flexibility. it would spool to stock psi levels quickly, give you low end torque, and maintain that torque over a wider rpm range. a single gt25 doesnt supply the air requirements for the engine above 4000rpm ish but two of them could do the job very easily and would apply the power to the trans much gentler than a big single setup id think.

I wouldn't pay someone to do any of this s*** though. ive always wanted to learn to tigweld. finally i make enough to be able to consider $2000 tools as kinda reasonable, even as a hobbiest ha.

 

[IllaNoizeTV]

no idea what power you will make. visit a dyno, but those additions to the mods you already have will be pefectly safe. it will just breath better. if you have an ems or some kind, you could raise the boost a little, which would help you get closer to the 200 mark. power to the wheels is what matters though... when i dyno'd mine in stock trim, it only put 136/154 to the wheels. i dont think simply bolting stuff on without a ems/tune/more boost would add almost 70 hp =)

and as for the point of twins.. there really isnt a point per say.. much like most of you guys with 300hp single setups have no point. in my area there are way way way too many cops for me be pushing speed even on the empty highway, they just fly over and ticket you. they use drones lol...

doing twin turbo would be about doing something no one really has done before to a car no one really knows about. honestly, it doesn't matter what i do to the msp as most people have never heard of it and will just consider it a pretty yellow mazda protege that i spent way too much money on. not dissimilar to a highly modified civic...

Id see the twins having the benefit of more flexibility. it would spool to stock psi levels quickly, give you low end torque, and maintain that torque over a wider rpm range. a single gt25 doesnt supply the air requirements for the engine above 4000rpm ish but two of them could do the job very easily and would apply the power to the trans much gentler than a big single setup id think.

I wouldn't pay someone to do any of this s*** though. ive always wanted to learn to tigweld. finally i make enough to be able to consider $2000 tools as kinda reasonable, even as a hobbiest ha.

I definitely vouch for what you're aiming to do. God be with you. I'm looking forward to seeing your build.

 

[Valk]

i need to buy a cube truck first before starting on the msp. I want to have my own supplement business but i don't have a house of my own, thus no workshop.. a cube van however... i can park it anywhere and its plenty of room to paint a lot of s*** in. also only costs a couple grand vs a house, which ill prob never afford in my city..

i expect ill spend 10-15k on my msp over 5 years. but there is no rush now that i dont need it. its more buying up the special made to order stuff before the people who make it decide not to. such as mfactory gearsets....

 

[thepope540]

I was thinking of an impreza to replace the p5 in a few years. Prob wouldn't get a wrx though. Would want a reliable cheap to run car after msp is done for weekends/summer fun. Though a cx5 is kinda tempting too.. cheap to run.. looks great... meh.

Get the WRX or if you can find one a Saab 92X Aero. The Saab is sharper than the scoob, but not as harsh as an sti. A base impreza will leave you wanting more.

Talking about the lightly modded MSP, would upgrading to a Pope exhaust mani and a downpipe cause more stress on the car (without being internally forged)? And would I be at 200hp? Right now I got a short ram intake, FMIC, and a straight back exhaust with cat deletes and I believe I'm at least at 180-185hp.

The manifold and downpipe are worth a bunch. Chris' car was absolutely transformed and would pretty easily keep up with my 225 whp WRX. The scoob is a heavier car, but Chris went from stock to manifold, downpipe, and exhaust and the difference was amazing. I'm going to dyno soon and we'll see how much I can make. I'm going to run it with my parts on the stock tune, on the base unichip tune, and then on various tunes increasing the boost up to about 12 psi. I expect strong numbers.