What have you done to your Miata today?
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Don't know how I missed all the chump chatter...
There are good drivers, and a large portion of them are VERY aggressive. Contact is common in chump, the one chump race I drove in (Longer Longest Day) was stopped by the organizer due to excessive contact and accidents. I like the attitude of Lemons WAY WAY WAY more than Chump. There are a LOT of cheaty cars and aggressive driver in chump, not so much in lemons.
I agree with this is regards to bad lines and poor driving, there are plenty of competent drivers in a general sense. Aggressive driving on the other hand... in a car they care very little about (a fraction of the driver's are owners!)... that gets hairy.
If lemons is any gauge (what I drive in now, not chump) figure at least $5k to buy and prep a car. I know a chump car owner who is over $10k into building his car. Consumables also add up REALLY fast, too. Hell, we usually burn $300/400 in gas for a 14 hour race, and thats in a MK2 MR2 with a 2.2L 5SFE engine (psst, 130hp camry motor, not hi-po at all and no significant mods).
With two cars and 7-8 drivers, every driver pays $650-700 a race (plus you buy your own license for the season) for my lemons team. The team owner recovers around $1k a race to make up for $5k x 2 cars, twin-axle trailer, several 55 gallon drums + fuel pump, fire extinguishers, fuel bottles, on-the-road tools, and all the other overhead expenses he has invested.
Lemons and chump are relatively inexpensive relative to endurance racing, but we're still talking about endurance racing...
There are good drivers, and a large portion of them are VERY aggressive. Contact is common in chump, the one chump race I drove in (Longer Longest Day) was stopped by the organizer due to excessive contact and accidents. I like the attitude of Lemons WAY WAY WAY more than Chump. There are a LOT of cheaty cars and aggressive driver in chump, not so much in lemons.
I agree with this is regards to bad lines and poor driving, there are plenty of competent drivers in a general sense. Aggressive driving on the other hand... in a car they care very little about (a fraction of the driver's are owners!)... that gets hairy.
If lemons is any gauge (what I drive in now, not chump) figure at least $5k to buy and prep a car. I know a chump car owner who is over $10k into building his car. Consumables also add up REALLY fast, too. Hell, we usually burn $300/400 in gas for a 14 hour race, and thats in a MK2 MR2 with a 2.2L 5SFE engine (psst, 130hp camry motor, not hi-po at all and no significant mods).
With two cars and 7-8 drivers, every driver pays $650-700 a race (plus you buy your own license for the season) for my lemons team. The team owner recovers around $1k a race to make up for $5k x 2 cars, twin-axle trailer, several 55 gallon drums + fuel pump, fire extinguishers, fuel bottles, on-the-road tools, and all the other overhead expenses he has invested.
Lemons and chump are relatively inexpensive relative to endurance racing, but we're still talking about endurance racing...
princess peach
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- '92 Miata, '06 MS6
huh, thanks for the info!
and you're right about combination locks, unfortunately its not up to me. they changed the doors and they have a regular lock.
and you're right about combination locks, unfortunately its not up to me. they changed the doors and they have a regular lock.
Sure thing! An interesting facet of ChumpCar and Lemons is that there are some teams, especially bigger ones like SpeedyCop and Rally Baby that show up with 3-6+ cars, that are always looking for drivers. I'm sure if you get on Lemons or ChumpCar forums you'll be able to find a team to drive for, either long term or just to see how you like it.
My friend Al is always looking for a driver on one of his enduro teams. Downside is that both Chump and Lemons pissed him off in some form or another to the point where he won't run them anymore. The enduros he does are more strict than those.
Slow in here.
Finally got to drive her yesterday, did some tuning on this morning using the VEAnalyze autotune feature. AFRs are a lot better already, I'm back to around 14.3-.5 at idle. I think what happened is when I was burning coolant and did the tuning, it was putting too much fuel in to make up for things. While I still have some fuel smell after getting on it, it is less. It just takes some time getting the upper rev range tuned as you have to have your foot down to keep the boost up.
Finally got to drive her yesterday, did some tuning on this morning using the VEAnalyze autotune feature. AFRs are a lot better already, I'm back to around 14.3-.5 at idle. I think what happened is when I was burning coolant and did the tuning, it was putting too much fuel in to make up for things. While I still have some fuel smell after getting on it, it is less. It just takes some time getting the upper rev range tuned as you have to have your foot down to keep the boost up.
Any idea what something like that runs?
princess peach
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- '92 Miata, '06 MS6
I cleaned the drain holes for the top on Sunday, other than that I'm just driving and itching to get Wills suspension (naughty)
Autox in the rain this weekend, totally miserable. Hated the car without a rear bar, but I got my best times with it disconnected... I guess I'll just have to get used to it and continue to work on my EBC tuning.
Not sure what other teams charge, mine is almost always $600-700 per race. Usually that's 3-4 drivers per car in a 14 hour race, so ~3:30-4:45 hours of wheel time in a weekend in what is basically a track day with passing. Works out to around $150-$170/hr including consumables (tires, brakes, gas, damage) and usually donuts and soda. Lemons will issue black flags for spinning out, making contact with another car, or even putting two in the dirt. Keeps everything dialed down a notch in terms of aggressiveness, which is good IMO because we all need to go back to work on Monday!
Not sure what other teams charge, mine is almost always $600-700 per race. Usually that's 3-4 drivers per car in a 14 hour race, so ~3:30-4:45 hours of wheel time in a weekend in what is basically a track day with passing. Works out to around $150-$170/hr including consumables (tires, brakes, gas, damage) and usually donuts and soda. Lemons will issue black flags for spinning out, making contact with another car, or even putting two in the dirt. Keeps everything dialed down a notch in terms of aggressiveness, which is good IMO because we all need to go back to work on Monday!
Drove mine today.
princess peach
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- '92 Miata, '06 MS6
didn't drive mine today, turned out to be an awesome day
Installed a Cobalt 3-point STB over the weekend. Vastly superior to the OE brace. The front end feels a lot tighter, less distraction on mid-turn bumps.
Weekend before that I installed an OE rear lip spoiler. Guess I haven't posted here lately!
Weekend before that I installed an OE rear lip spoiler. Guess I haven't posted here lately!
