knowledge007
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jesus can't you just hope for the best...
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What cars can the MS3 run with?
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adamsredms3
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voiceKoil said:Cars the ms3 can hang with. WELL
I walked on a LS1 camaro from a 35 roll, took a 350z on the freeway, took an R32 on the freeway, took a wrx on the freeway, the list goes on, and that was just with a K&n filter, the cars are def quick...
This BS about what cars people have beaten or think they can beat has to end. There is no measure of driver skill in any of the cars involved or if the other driver was really even trying to race.
Its the same thing as when the SRT-4 came out. Its like there is something to prove by owning a MS3. It also funny that most of these "wins" occur on public roads. A race happens on a track...period. Stop spewing about what you did from one light to another or on the local freeway. "Took this, took that"...who really gives a s***. I bet every other driver you thought you beat was like, "another asshole kid", not, "oh I better go get an MS3 so I can be like him someday"
If you really want people to be impressed with you and/or your cars ability, head out to Lime Rock, The Glen or whatever non 1/4 mile track that is near you and try to run and HPDE with some of those cars you have claimed to have "taken".
Agreed - you should never street race, and I don't either - I was just kidding. However - in a pseudo-reality where I wasn't worried about legal recompense - things would be different and I might say something along the lines of what I'll type below:
***begin pseudo stuff***
My step-brother is a cop, his uncle is Police Cheif (different towns), and I have friends who are cops, firefighters, ems. The way I look at it is this. I'm as careful as I can stand to be. Haven't hurt anyone in a long time. My first week driving, I had 3 accidents. My first year driving I sideswiped two people off the road on purpose (1979 Grand Prix - thing was a tank). Used to be a really bad driver. Many hit and run accidents. The Grand Prix was a mess electically, and turning off the headlights killed all the lights in the car and outside as well. Racked up 16 points in my first year of driving. Fortunately I did not lose my license though I could have. Most of my tickets were for speeding, wreckless driving, and blowing through stop signs but were later changed to lower fines and mostly careless driving after I was done fighting them in court. Took defensive driving courses from the state, and learned through trial and error to be a better driver. Smacked up quite a few cars in many differint ways.
Haven't had an accident in over 5 years, no points on my license and no speeding tickets. I have a decent radar detector and I don't speed for long. Have my fun, then get back down to the speed limit. Also, I DO NOT SPEED AT NIGHT. Less traffic on the road, visibility is clearly against you as cops have their lights off and we are all driving around with our cars lit up like beacons begging for it.
Yes, I break laws, honestly - most people do. If you are exceeding the speed limit, you're breaking the law. Criminals get caught because they are stupid. Minimize the amount of time you spend breaking the law and you help lower your chances of getting caught. Not saying I know it all, but I'm 30 so I'm not a kid anymore. No wife, no kids, so I'm able to be a bit irresponsible. Should I get caught - it's my legal right to defend myself. Hoping it never comes to that.
***end pseudo stuff***
Cliff's notes - don't be a bad driver, but if you can't be good - be good at it
***begin pseudo stuff***
My step-brother is a cop, his uncle is Police Cheif (different towns), and I have friends who are cops, firefighters, ems. The way I look at it is this. I'm as careful as I can stand to be. Haven't hurt anyone in a long time. My first week driving, I had 3 accidents. My first year driving I sideswiped two people off the road on purpose (1979 Grand Prix - thing was a tank). Used to be a really bad driver. Many hit and run accidents. The Grand Prix was a mess electically, and turning off the headlights killed all the lights in the car and outside as well. Racked up 16 points in my first year of driving. Fortunately I did not lose my license though I could have. Most of my tickets were for speeding, wreckless driving, and blowing through stop signs but were later changed to lower fines and mostly careless driving after I was done fighting them in court. Took defensive driving courses from the state, and learned through trial and error to be a better driver. Smacked up quite a few cars in many differint ways.
Haven't had an accident in over 5 years, no points on my license and no speeding tickets. I have a decent radar detector and I don't speed for long. Have my fun, then get back down to the speed limit. Also, I DO NOT SPEED AT NIGHT. Less traffic on the road, visibility is clearly against you as cops have their lights off and we are all driving around with our cars lit up like beacons begging for it.
Yes, I break laws, honestly - most people do. If you are exceeding the speed limit, you're breaking the law. Criminals get caught because they are stupid. Minimize the amount of time you spend breaking the law and you help lower your chances of getting caught. Not saying I know it all, but I'm 30 so I'm not a kid anymore. No wife, no kids, so I'm able to be a bit irresponsible. Should I get caught - it's my legal right to defend myself. Hoping it never comes to that.
***end pseudo stuff***
Cliff's notes - don't be a bad driver, but if you can't be good - be good at it
knowledge007
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Micah said:what are you using for a tuning solution currently - are you still running stock boost?
nothing waiting for cpe's. Running stock boost.
The track is great and is good for the 1/4 mile! But so many other things come into play! Just having fun and racing from a roll on the freeway is fun and to me less dangerous then any AWD launch I have ever done.(yes) You don't think AWD's get torque steer HAHAHA my GSX had three times the torque steer my MS3 gets. When you have those evo's, sti's and awd dsm's wave there sub 1.8 60 fts and sub 12 times @ 110mph. Then on the drive home from the track the fwd and rwd guys blow buy them and they have the same HP. FWD's are great from a roll and AWD are great from a dig=awd have better 1/4 miles. I don't know about any of you guys but time means little to me even when I had AWD it's the trap speed that matters. That is what shows HP.
My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!
My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!
I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.
Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!
My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!
I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.
Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!
FRUCTOSE said:My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!
My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!
I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.
Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!
Ummm I say turbo the RX8 like previous rotary powered Mazda's.
FRUCTOSE said:My bad when I said track I ment 1/4 mile! The MS3's are great track cars and play with some of the best (under $40,000.00) and some over!
My thing is why don't they just put the MZR in the RX-8???!!!
I would pay $30,000+ for that car any day.
Can't remember what mag did the article but the RX-8 still beat up on the 2007 350Z on everything but power! Add power to the car and bamm best car ever.... lol!
Automobile.. Can think of the issue off hand but i remeber reading as well.
wasnt there alot of reliability issues with the turbo rx's in the past?M3_Zoom said:Ummm I say turbo the RX8 like previous rotary powered Mazda's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine
I think the issue is more rotary related than boost related. I'm sure boost didn't help matters, but rotary engines have a history of oil consumption. When you've got an oil cooled turbo, you need to keep an eye on the oil level. Like any other engine, if you start slacking on upkeep.... bad juju.
Despite this, rotary engines still have a pretty good reputation. Yes they did have an issue with seals, but this has been resolved.
clos561 said:wasnt there alot of reliability issues with the turbo rx's in the past?
I think the issue is more rotary related than boost related. I'm sure boost didn't help matters, but rotary engines have a history of oil consumption. When you've got an oil cooled turbo, you need to keep an eye on the oil level. Like any other engine, if you start slacking on upkeep.... bad juju.
Despite this, rotary engines still have a pretty good reputation. Yes they did have an issue with seals, but this has been resolved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFXtiKxD6Y
Not sure why they gave it to the RX8 in this video, if you listen to what the drivers say, they both say that the 350Z is the better drivers car. I like them both, ultimately I prefer my cars to be around 300hp, and the Z is closer to the mark than the RX-8. The RX-8 is good for my niece.
Not sure why they gave it to the RX8 in this video, if you listen to what the drivers say, they both say that the 350Z is the better drivers car. I like them both, ultimately I prefer my cars to be around 300hp, and the Z is closer to the mark than the RX-8. The RX-8 is good for my niece.
zoom-zoomhatch
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Micah said:but rotary engines have a history of oil consumption.
Rotary engines use oil as part of the combustion process, they mix the oil with the gas to lubricate the walls of the rotor housing.
Yeah, that's in the wiki article I posted. I don't care if it's standard operating procedure for the engine, the fact is needing to add a quart or two between oil changes is a bit annoying and also costly. I suppose it's as simple as checking the dipstick every few times you fill the gas tank, but still - no thanks.
Karma_hunden
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The RX-8 is nice a fudge!! best car ever, except it is 100whp short of perfection, which totally does the opposite and makes it a crappy car. A shame.
The RX-8 was closer to the 350Z in the earlier years, but throughout development, the Z has grown, while all Mazda has done to the RX-8, is change the number of the production year...now what? you have a 07 350Z with a new 80% redesign engine that kicks 306whp/268tq till 7500rpm and increases mid range torque than the previous version to create a steady powerful powerband, yet having better millage than the others.
07 Z killed the RX-8 in a straightline and on the track in the C&D comparison test, however; for some reason, it got third place in car and driver comparison, but then again, those magazines are retarded. The RX-8 got first place, so there has to be something good with it. Zoom Zoom.
The RX-8 was closer to the 350Z in the earlier years, but throughout development, the Z has grown, while all Mazda has done to the RX-8, is change the number of the production year...now what? you have a 07 350Z with a new 80% redesign engine that kicks 306whp/268tq till 7500rpm and increases mid range torque than the previous version to create a steady powerful powerband, yet having better millage than the others.
07 Z killed the RX-8 in a straightline and on the track in the C&D comparison test, however; for some reason, it got third place in car and driver comparison, but then again, those magazines are retarded. The RX-8 got first place, so there has to be something good with it. Zoom Zoom.
I think it's the overall experience of the car. The RX8 is very easy to drive - communicates well, perfectly balanced, and the rotary engine sings it's way through the rev's like an angry tenor.
The 350Z is fun to drive, but there isn't much a gradual letting go when you reach it's limits. It will pull back in line even with the TCS turned off by just letting off the throttle a bit, and you can kick the tail out by giving it a bit more meat on the go-pedal. But the transition from grip to slip is a bit scary the first few times it happens - especially compared to the RX8.
I think people chose the RX8 over the 350Z in the same manner that reviews have chosen the STI over the EVO. The EVO is a better car in performance, but the overall experience of the STI is better. Interior materials, design, all those little things add up.
The 350Z is fun to drive, but there isn't much a gradual letting go when you reach it's limits. It will pull back in line even with the TCS turned off by just letting off the throttle a bit, and you can kick the tail out by giving it a bit more meat on the go-pedal. But the transition from grip to slip is a bit scary the first few times it happens - especially compared to the RX8.
I think people chose the RX8 over the 350Z in the same manner that reviews have chosen the STI over the EVO. The EVO is a better car in performance, but the overall experience of the STI is better. Interior materials, design, all those little things add up.
Karma_hunden
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True. How bout the S2K vs the 2007 350z? sounds like a good mach. Which one is faster around the track and on a 1/4?
Karma_hunden said:True. How bout the S2K vs the 2007 350z? sounds like a good mach. Which one is faster around the track and on a 1/4?
s2k's are great cars. But you still need to wind the car out to get any power, just like the RX-8. The s2k is driver friendly and much more fun to drive then any 350 I have driven. The 350 feels too bulky and just doesn't drive as smooth. When I drive a 350 it feels kinda like an f-body, not sporty just aggresive. And torquie! Not near as balanced as the s2k or RX-8. One thing the 350 does have is exhaust note!!! I would drive one just for the exhaust note, I would just have to try and forget about how much better the RX-8 feels!
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