What cars can the MS3 run with?

[speedi3]

The mazdaspeed3 is quick..it should be able to beat up on older mustang gt's, rx8's, g35's, stock vw's unless they modded. Most late model wrx's from a roll but obviously not from a dig.

from a roll a stock mz3 should be able to keep up with a stock sti but not evo.

I think stock for stock that from a roll a mz3 should be able to outrun a mazdaspeed6 but from a dig AWD RULES! I heard the torque steer off the line is morbid (mz3).

Car's you shouldn't bother racing:
m3, m5, evo8, srt-4, & new mustang gt's.

Quality wise mazda truly does provide a better overal package when you factor in things like 18" rims and turbo disi, lsd, leather, navi etc.

I know this will sound like BS BUT I had(or at least even) a modded Cobra from a rolling 70. we got up to 130 he back off. I think he had some kinda of button or NOS or something because when he came back and we tried again from a rolling 70 I had nothing... he left me like i was standing still. He also ask if I was stock after fact.... That was shortly after the CAI and no other mods. His question alone told me MS3 has some major potential. (rockon)

 

[TheDutchGun]

I know this will sound like BS BUT I had(or at least even) a modded Cobra from a rolling 70. we got up to 130 he back off. I think he had some kinda of button or NOS or something because when he came back and we tried again from a rolling 70 I had nothing... he left me like i was standing still. He also ask if I was stock after fact.... That was shortly after the CAI and no other mods. His question alone told me MS3 has some major potential. (rockon)

Cobras are not to be ****** with, especially Terminators (03-04). Forged everything, possibly the most complete Mustang Motor of all time and so easy to mod.

 

[speedi3]

Cobras are not to be ****** with, especially Terminators (03-04). Forged everything, possibly the most complete Mustang Motor of all time and so easy to mod.

I hear you. And he was probably being gracious to me but we had fun... And I took his comment as a compliment from the most complete Mustang Motor of all time that is so easy to mod....

 

[knowledge007]

sorry to say but I ahve taken an m3, m5, srt4 depending what stage there at, and a thew newer gt's. matter of fact I took one in first gear he switched to second and i wasn't even ready to switch to second and I was pulling away...

 

[Micah]

<~~~ goes looking for his boots and shovel

 

[M3_Zoom]

yeap could not said it any better! i ran a 12.85 but broke the rear diff bracket and one of the axles!

It amazes me how fast folks are to say "oh no way, I'm calling BS on that, theres no possible way a MS3 or MS6 can do that." Umm, go talk to some of these aftermarket companies that easily welcomed the MS3 & MS6 into there inventory. The top companies out there will tell you, it has lots of potential. Currently there's a TOP company that's yet to even be mentioned and they have many products under development. Without saying to much when they release there products, complimented with others under development as well, move over. Sure the EVO's, Sti's, R32's (AWD) cars for the most part will beat a MS3 off the line but that's it. Some of you said it yourself, it's not all about 0-60 or straight line driving. OK, hit a road course and watch. I know for a fact there are many products to come for the MS3 and in time, just like the EVO's, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. had to wait, our wait will make the MS3 one of the top FWD turbo'd cars to own. People rant and rave over the SRT-4 and interestingly enough, I had a 2004 SRT-4. I got rid of it because I hated the interior, it rattled like hell and was just a noisy car, but that's me personally. Sure some of you can come back and say well I have or had an SRT-4 and it never rattled but my MS3 rattles. You have that right, but I have yet to have the first rattle or noise in my MS3 so, so what. Is the SRT-4 fast, hell yes when you modify it, but do you think the modifications they have available to them today are the same when that car was released in 2003, NO! They didn't even have a CAI ready yet alone much else. Just like with the MS3 it's easy for anyone to say at this point "no way" because face it, we really don't have much YET! Wait until the beast is figured out just like the EVO, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. They all had and still have issues but for the most part are worked out and very minimal. Come back in a few years when the aftermarket is flooded with slot-car handling and go fast parts and see what your opinion is then. Out of the box these cars do extremely well both in handling and straight line performance. The handling in OEM form reminds me of an 84 Gti I use to race and it had thousands of dollars into the suspension. Maybe I should go home and say "hey MS3 why aren't you as fast as the Z06 Vette sitting next to you?" That's honestly how silly some of you get. Sometimes I think folks honestly don't see things this way or even consider it. They think, oh man that car is suppose to be faster than anything and it sucks. Like I said after the MS3 or MS6 is given the same amount of attention on perfomance, suspension and tuning by the aftermarket world, come back and we can compare notes. Until then be open minded just like you would on any new turbo'd car out there.

 

[TheDutchGun]

It amazes me how fast folks are to say "oh no way, I'm calling BS on that, theres no possible way a MS3 or MS6 can do that." Umm, go talk to some of these aftermarket companies that easily welcomed the MS3 & MS6 into there inventory. The top companies out there will tell you, it has lots of potential. Currently there's a TOP company that's yet to even be mentioned and they have many products under development. Without saying to much when they release there products, complimented with others under development as well, move over. Sure the EVO's, Sti's, R32's (AWD) cars for the most part will beat a MS3 off the line but that's it. Some of you said it yourself, it's not all about 0-60 or straight line driving. OK, hit a road course and watch. I know for a fact there are many products to come for the MS3 and in time, just like the EVO's, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. had to wait, our wait will make the MS3 one of the top FWD turbo'd cars to own. People rant and rave over the SRT-4 and interestingly enough, I had a 2004 SRT-4. I got rid of it because I hated the interior, it rattled like hell and was just a noisy car, but that's me personally. Sure some of you can come back and say well I have or had an SRT-4 and it never rattled but my MS3 rattles. You have that right, but I have yet to have the first rattle or noise in my MS3 so, so what. Is the SRT-4 fast, hell yes when you modify it, but do you think the modifications they have available to them today are the same when that car was released in 2003, NO! They didn't even have a CAI ready yet alone much else. Just like with the MS3 it's easy for anyone to say at this point "no way" because face it, we really don't have much YET! Wait until the beast is figured out just like the EVO, Sti's, SRT-4's, Gti's etc. They all had and still have issues but for the most part are worked out and very minimal. Come back in a few years when the aftermarket is flooded with slot-car handling and go fast parts and see what your opinion is then. Out of the box these cars do extremely well both in handling and straight line performance. The handling in OEM form reminds me of an 84 Gti I use to race and it had thousands of dollars into the suspension. Maybe I should go home and say "hey MS3 why aren't you as fast as the Z06 Vette sitting next to you?" That's honestly how silly some of you get. Sometimes I think folks honestly don't see things this way or even consider it. They think, oh man that car is suppose to be faster than anything and it sucks. Like I said after the MS3 or MS6 is given the same amount of attention on perfomance, suspension and tuning by the aftermarket world, come back and we can compare notes. Until then be open minded just like you would on any new turbo'd car out there.

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

 

[M3_Zoom]

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

I agree (headbang)

 

[SwampAss]

Hell, there are better 300hp platforms out there.

 

[knowledge007]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.

 

[SwampAss]

I thought we boosted @ just under 16psi

 

[knowledge007]

we do swamp...but i want more!!!!!!!

 

[TheDutchGun]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.

Then I commend you for being able to handle that much power at the front wheels. I think for most people its an accident waiting to happen.

With my very limited knowledge of automotive history, front wheel drive seems to have come into common use in line with various oil crunches of the past. Kind of seems to me like it was a cheaper way to produce lower powered cars with better fuel economy. Almost no "performance cars" in history were produced on FWD platforms.

Once again, my history knowledge is not the best.

 

[knowledge007]

trust me I do know where you are coming from Dutch, as the more power I put into this beast the more torque steer I get. But that should die down a bit once I start on the suspension. But yes, I would not recommend a car like this with mods I have and the mods I have in store for the future to an average joe who hasn't had the experience most of us have had behind the wheel of any beast...

 

[GoFast]

The MS3's potential goes only as far as FWD will take it. I think most people agree that when getting up into the higher power and torque numbers, putting all the responsibility on the front of the car is less than ideal. If an MS3 owner's plan is to create a tight handling, 300 hp touring car, then the MS3 is perfect. If the intention is a 400 hp monster, there are much better platforms out there.

i sorta agree with you here, but at the same time, sorta dont. Is the MS3 really perfect for a 300hp tight handling monster? depends! According to all the magazine "experts" the corvette and Porshe are the best handling cars out there. and they are rear wheel drive. so is front wheel drive perfect for that? who knows. but some might say it is. I have done several autocross' in the last couple of years and consistantly see an sts older crx blow the doors off of a ton of cars that with the perfect driver, should never be able to touch! the vette, porsche and lotus are just a few to name! but thats autocross...

if you want to look at drag racing, there are cars that are fwd that will kill most rwd cars and visa versa.

My point is that its all a drivers game. i pulled an srt-4 with my focus svt but never should have according to the experts! maybe if the srt-4 had someone that knew how to drive it, there woulda been a different story.

I used to race ccs motorcycles and i raced 600cc gsxrs. but yet i ran better times than alot of 1000s could. does it mean that its because i had a faster bike? nope, i was 60hp less! but i knew lines and techniques better. but thats not to say that some guys on a little 250cc couldnt whoop my ass just the same!

so the question of what cars can the ms3 run with....simple! all of them!..................with the right and/or wrong driver

 

[SwampAss]

I used to race ccs motorcycles and i raced 600cc gsxrs. but yet i ran better times than alot of 1000s could. does it mean that its because i had a faster bike? nope, i was 60hp less! but i knew lines and techniques better. but thats not to say that some guys on a little 250cc couldnt whoop my ass just the same!

so the question of what cars can the ms3 run with....simple! all of them!..................with the right and/or wrong driver

Rotational mass of 1000ccs has a huge negative affect on the handling dynamics of a motorcycle. High HP bikes also unsettle mid corner much more easily when throttle is applied due to the amount of torque.

I used to support a friend (pit b****) who raced CCS Expert.

 

[GoFast]

Rotational mass of 1000ccs has a huge negative affect on the handling dynamics of a motorcycle. High HP bikes also unsettle mid corner much more easily when throttle is applied due to the amount of torque.

I used to support a friend (pit b****) who raced CCS Expert.

yep you are absolutly correct. but does that mean that a 1000cc bike cant beat a 600cc bike?

and thats awesome that you supported your freind!! without pit bitches racing would be a b**** lol

 

[M3_Zoom]

well considering this...next on the list is the upgraded tmic and then the cpe tunning solution so I can bump up the turbo to 19 to 22 psi. And then a new list starts for the suspension. Hopefully I will have close to 400 hp with of course either the welding the lsd or hopefully upgrading the lsd when I am finished with this beast.

I'm a full supporter of this car but as I agreed earlier that the platform is perfect for a 300HP road course racer, if you intend to push the car to a 400HP street hunter, yes it's possible but you will need to do more than weld the lsd. At 400HP your tranny internals will need attention not to mention cluth, half-shafts and that's to say the least. I obviously don't need to remind you about the large amount of torque are cars make so keep that in mind as well.

Remember, I fully support this car and know it has allot of power to be untapped but, I honestly feel once it reaches 350HP dyno'd to the ground, I would be blown away to find the stock stuff holds. If I'm wrong tell me because although I have tons of experience racing, this is my first Mazda. (thumb)

 

[knowledge007]

lol well my hopes are to break 400 but in reality I don't think I will get there. The only things that are planned for now are the tuning solution, breakes full suspension including struts. Hopefully I will break the 350 mark to the ground and sure I will be happy. If not time for a turbo upgrade...lmao but that won't be for another 5 years at least.

 

[M3_Zoom]

lol well my hopes are to break 400 but in reality I don't think I will get there. The only things that are planned for now are the tuning solution, breakes full suspension including struts, and tuning solution. Hopefully I will break the 350 mark to the ground and sure I will be happy. If not time for a turbo upgrade...lmao but that won't be for another 5 years at least.

I wish you well in your endeavors! Once our PCM is "cracked" look out...