US Diesel's big splash introduction

Monterra said:
Yeah there are diesels sold here from non-us companies..2 I believe: bmw and Jag/LR- both pretty disappointing in terms of performance from companies that tend to prioritize performance. Here's another guess- EPA wants Mazda to neuter it despite them adding urea injection to mitigate NOx that they felt they didn't even need in the first go round if I'm not mistaken, Mazda resists, tries to appease with new clean and cool tech..Idk seems perfectly reasonable to me- but hey believe whatever you want fact is only those deep inside both entities truly know what's going on.
Came across this after quick search- 11 months old but its not like much has changed if anything the epa/cali screws are being further torqued down on diesels:(

http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diesel-scandal/epa-holding-your-diesel-hostage

So yeah its pretty easy for me to believe that govt agencies (state and fed) are being extremely slow and stingy on giving their blessing to new diesels- post dieselgate I almost can't even blame those tree hugging hippies. I still say it happens just highly doubt we're going to see one in 2017. I'll settle for a concrete start date and details by year end.
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Monterra,

Thanks for the posted link. I find that very encouraging. Could be as simple as the EPA has a backlog for certifying new vehicles because they became much more stringent and time consuming in their validation process. They probably wrecked their former schedule.
 
Red MC said:
I'm getting skeptical of the EPA excuse. Several other manufacturers offer diesel-powered passenger cars in the US market, so the emissions problem isn't insurmountable. And Mazda's low compression diesel engine technology is supposed to inherently cleaner, in theory anyway. I can think of two explanations for the delay. The first is the possibility that Mazda's 2.2D has a design characteristic or issue that makes emissions compliance very hard. If that's the case then it may be a dead-end design that Mazda doesn't want to put any more money into because Euro emissions regulations are tightening up to be closer to the US. The other possibility I can think of is that Mazda observed the public backlash against diesel that swept across Europe earlier this year, including threats of diesel taxes and bans, and concluded that the demand for diesel cars is waning and it's not worth expanding into other markets.

I'm not sure what to make of all the press coming out of Mazda these days, whether they're trying to make noise to attract investment or trying to keep customers from fleeing. But in the case of the diesel, I feel like Mazda is just stringing us along. If a diesel CX-5 shows up here before the Subaru I'm driving needs another major repair, great, I will buy it. But I'm not sinking more money into this thing to keep it on the road waiting on Mazda.
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Monterra said:
I'm 99.8% sure its still pending final EPA approval or at least that's last I heard..they were pretty confident it wouldn't be an issue but with all the recent stink about emissions and the global jihad on diesel and everything non-electric or hybrid generally maybe its just on the slow track or maybe we're screwed and left with a long wait for the sky-x. Maybe the recent sky-x pub was their response in efforts to nudge the epa to green light the diesel at least until sky-x is ready or maybe sky-x is their pre-apology of sorts for getting our diesel hopes up to no avail again. Sucks- but only time will tell..

I think its 'changed' because that's what my and other US dealers have said to others here recently I sure hope they're full of crap or simply underinformed but I'm starting to fear they're not.
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It's not delayed....

J.R. said:
We've been hearing fall 'media introduction/launch' (late October was the guess if I recall) and likely available at dealers starting Dec 2017-Jan 2018 as 2018 models for months and months.

Not sure why you guys thinks that's 'changed' or a 'hold up'?
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J.R. said:
It's not delayed....
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Bold..care to substantiate this claim? Doesn't even show on Mazda Canada's site. s*** gimme sky-x with the unlimited mileage warranties you lucky bastards get and I'll forget this ever happened.
 
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No mention of Mazda in the link for 2017, looks like it could be next year.
 
Back in April, when I was shopping the CX-9, the dealer said the CX-5 diesel was coming as a late 2017 model some time in the second half of the year. Then the press started reporting it was coming "later this year", and Mazda put up a "2017 CX-5 Diesel" teaser on the US site. Then we start hearing rumors of a launch event in the fall, with the car to follow later as a 2018 model. Now there are press articles saying it's coming next year. And Mazda has removed the tag line from their teaser page that used to say "coming late 2017" or something like that.

When I talked to two local dealers just this week, they both seem pretty confident that it is not coming this year, and they can't get an answer from Mazda about when it might be coming in the future. Recently, I saw an interview with a Mazda NA product strategy guy on YouTube and he was also non-committal about the diesel. Said he didn't want to promise something and fail to deliver like what happened before.

So to me, everything points to the CX-5 diesel introduction being delayed, or worse.
 
wonder if they'll have one at the LA auto show Dec 1st - 10th.
Mazda North America likes to take new stuff there since it's so close to R&D and Corporate (Irvine, CA)
 
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I was tossing this idea around today...

"What if they have since decided it was more important to put a different engine choice into the struggling Mazda6 instead?"
 
mazdadude said:
I was tossing this idea around today...

"What if they have since decided it was more important to put a different engine choice into the struggling Mazda6 instead?"
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They won't there as they were supposed to offer the diesel when this version of the 6 was released
 
What’s Happening with the Mazda CX-5 Diesel?

When it comes to bringing a diesel engine to the United States, Mazda has talked the talk for a long while but has yet to walk the walk. Years ago, the company discussed bringing a Mazda 6 diesel to our shores, but when that fell through, the popular CX-5 crossover became the prime candidate for Mazda’s 2.2-liter Skyactiv-D engine in the States. Mazda confirmed last year that a CX-5 diesel is happening, and we caught a prototype version of such a vehicle running around Michigan this weekend, suggesting that its official arrival may not be too far off. The CX-5 we spotted was devoid of any badging, but certain clues identified it as a diesel-powered model. Look closely and you’ll see an intercooler mounted behind the lower front grille, a tachometer that appears to redline at a low 5500 rpm, and a single exhaust pipe instead of the standard gasoline-powered CX-5’s dual outlets.



Mazda has stated previously that the diesel engine will be offered on the 2017 CX-5 and that it will arrive in the second half of this year. At this point, however, Mazda has yet to share any more information about the CX-5 diesel, which brings that timing into question. A Mazda spokesperson told us that the company is currently working with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) toward final emissions certification on this powertrain but wouldn’t share any more timing details. Mazda noted to us that preproduction models may be running around; this prototype has a Bosch sticker on its windshield, which could indicate the supplier—known for its fleet of diesel test vehicles in our area, southeastern Michigan—could be conducting testing for Mazda.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/whats-happening-with-the-mazda-cx-5-diesel/
 
Kaps said:
What’s Happening with the Mazda CX-5 Diesel?

When it comes to bringing a diesel engine to the United States, Mazda has talked the talk for a long while but has yet to walk the walk. Years ago, the company discussed bringing a Mazda 6 diesel to our shores, but when that fell through, the popular CX-5 crossover became the prime candidate for Mazda’s 2.2-liter Skyactiv-D engine in the States. Mazda confirmed last year that a CX-5 diesel is happening, and we caught a prototype version of such a vehicle running around Michigan this weekend, suggesting that its official arrival may not be too far off. The CX-5 we spotted was devoid of any badging, but certain clues identified it as a diesel-powered model. Look closely and you’ll see an intercooler mounted behind the lower front grille, a tachometer that appears to redline at a low 5500 rpm, and a single exhaust pipe instead of the standard gasoline-powered CX-5’s dual outlets.



Mazda has stated previously that the diesel engine will be offered on the 2017 CX-5 and that it will arrive in the second half of this year. At this point, however, Mazda has yet to share any more information about the CX-5 diesel, which brings that timing into question. A Mazda spokesperson told us that the company is currently working with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) toward final emissions certification on this powertrain but wouldn’t share any more timing details. Mazda noted to us that preproduction models may be running around; this prototype has a Bosch sticker on its windshield, which could indicate the supplier—known for its fleet of diesel test vehicles in our area, southeastern Michigan—could be conducting testing for Mazda.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/whats-happening-with-the-mazda-cx-5-diesel/
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definitely looks like some sort of emissions test car. It has the tow eyelets installed (maybe for tying down to dyno?) and that silly looking exhaust pipe looks like it's designed to connect to some emissions equipment.
 
Unless they have built cars sitting in a lot some where waiting to be shipped, I can't see it hitting US shores in 2017. At least not in any significant volume. That's too bad.
 
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