US Diesel's big splash introduction
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Its beer:30Double daisy cutter bnb (half acre brewing) if you see it, buy it, thank me later..
I saw you mention that beer in another post. Will try it if I come across some. Local bar has Sip of Sunshine on tap.
I'm kegging a session ipa this weekend. might brew a fresh hop ipa this weekend too... the Chinook hops covering my deck are definitely ready.
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Well, my dealer told me December-2017 to March 2018. And then they mentioned they had a similar slip for the diesel Mazda 6, which never arrived. I don't think we will see the diesel CX-5 in the USA.
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Are they still holding your deposit? (I think that was you that put one down...)
Try between now and Christmas
I'm getting skeptical of the EPA excuse. Several other manufacturers offer diesel-powered passenger cars in the US market, so the emissions problem isn't insurmountable. And Mazda's low compression diesel engine technology is supposed to inherently cleaner, in theory anyway. I can think of two explanations for the delay. The first is the possibility that Mazda's 2.2D has a design characteristic or issue that makes emissions compliance very hard. If that's the case then it may be a dead-end design that Mazda doesn't want to put any more money into because Euro emissions regulations are tightening up to be closer to the US. The other possibility I can think of is that Mazda observed the public backlash against diesel that swept across Europe earlier this year, including threats of diesel taxes and bans, and concluded that the demand for diesel cars is waning and it's not worth expanding into other markets.
I'm not sure what to make of all the press coming out of Mazda these days, whether they're trying to make noise to attract investment or trying to keep customers from fleeing. But in the case of the diesel, I feel like Mazda is just stringing us along. If a diesel CX-5 shows up here before the Subaru I'm driving needs another major repair, great, I will buy it. But I'm not sinking more money into this thing to keep it on the road waiting on Mazda.
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Here in this part of the world its hold up.
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Yes. But they are very nice about it. They are trying to get me into another car, which is why when I am in there for any reason, they throw me the keys to a Miata or new CX-5 and tell me to drive around instead of waiting.
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In the absence of the sport mode on my diesel, im enjoying the manual mode. It's a very different beast in manual. Never felt like I'm driving a diesel.
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Your first paragraph is possibly the most sensible and balanced opinions I've ever read on this forum. I too believe that what is happening in Europe must be effecting what they are thinking because the legislators and green parties are really turning the screws to rid out diesel and surely Mazda must be listening to this as it seems almost suicidal to continue along this route. I know that some of you guys are really excited about the prospect of the higher powered engine (rather than what fuel it runs on) but could any potential increase in Diesel engine sales compensate the potential losses in Europe - especially if you have to have a heavily modified version. They've said it now and I think you will get it but I suspect they're not entirely happy about it. My feeling is that if they could have gauged opinion on it based on Europe now, they might have held back on it. My new diesel is significantly better than the 2016.5. It's better on fuel, hardly diluting the oil and is behaving impeccably but I would have taken the 2.5G if they'd made it available to us only based on the anti diesel lobby.
Skeptical of EPA 'excuse' yet emissions compliance is very hard? Hmm sounds like kinda same to me..If Mazda had it all worked out (and they obviously feel pretty strongly that they did) and expect it to be green lighted why would they not want it? They'd rather develop a record of saying things they don't deliver on? Nope, not buying that one at all. This is our government who feels more strongly than ever that electric=great, diesel=devil bulls***. Chevy recently got the ok but its Chevy and maybe theirs is 'farther from the line' of what Mazda maybe riding a bit too close for epa's comfort but that's just a guess. Extra scrutiny (like a lot extra) post dieselgate from US EPA no doubt in my mind that's what's happening.
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Blaming the US government for Mazda's inability to bring a diesel to the US market? That's rich(lol2) Last time I checked, there are plenty diesel cars/trucks in this country that come from companies outside the US. Red MC reasons are much more likely. They ran into some issue(s) that makes compliance difficult, or they realized offering a diesel isn't worth it, especially if they plan on releasing an engine technology that runs on Petrol that gets diesel like MPG and Torque right after a release of a diesel engine. If it is for the second, I could have told them a diesel in this market is a bad idea.
Sounds more like incompetence on Mazda's part. Also the recent interviews they have done recently with the press seem to indicate they're broke and want to spend as little as possible on anything other than what will keep them alive.
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Yeah there are diesels sold here from non-us companies..2 I believe: bmw and Jag/LR- both pretty disappointing in terms of performance from companies that tend to prioritize performance. Here's another guess- EPA wants Mazda to neuter it despite them adding urea injection to mitigate NOx that they felt they didn't even need in the first go round if I'm not mistaken, Mazda resists, tries to appease with new clean and cool tech..Idk seems perfectly reasonable to me- but hey believe whatever you want fact is only those deep inside both entities truly know what's going on.
Came across this after quick search- 11 months old but its not like much has changed if anything the epa/cali screws are being further torqued down on diesels
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diesel-scandal/epa-holding-your-diesel-hostage
So yeah its pretty easy for me to believe that govt agencies (state and fed) are being extremely slow and stingy on giving their blessing to new diesels- post dieselgate I almost can't even blame those tree hugging hippies. I still say it happens just highly doubt we're going to see one in 2017. I'll settle for a concrete start date and details by year end.
Came across this after quick search- 11 months old but its not like much has changed if anything the epa/cali screws are being further torqued down on diesels
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diesel-scandal/epa-holding-your-diesel-hostage
So yeah its pretty easy for me to believe that govt agencies (state and fed) are being extremely slow and stingy on giving their blessing to new diesels- post dieselgate I almost can't even blame those tree hugging hippies. I still say it happens just highly doubt we're going to see one in 2017. I'll settle for a concrete start date and details by year end.
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Using the manual mode is easy, and can be fun.
I don't think sport is needed, but another gear could return more MPG at higher speeds.
I don't think sport is needed, but another gear could return more MPG at higher speeds.
This source measured the 2017 CX-5 noise 67 dB @ 70mph http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-suvs/2017-mazda-cx-5-awd/ar-BBECxLJ
At that speed they say it measured lower than a Mercedes-Benz GLC300 4MATIC.
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Some do
Yeah there are diesels sold here from non-us companies..2 I believe: bmw and Jag/LR- both pretty disappointing in terms of performance from companies that tend to prioritize performance. Here's another guess- EPA wants Mazda to neuter it despite them adding urea injection to mitigate NOx that they felt they didn't even need in the first go round if I'm not mistaken, Mazda resists, tries to appease with new clean and cool tech..Idk seems perfectly reasonable to me- but hey believe whatever you want fact is only those deep inside both entities truly know what's going on.
Came across this after quick search- 11 months old but its not like much has changed if anything the epa/cali screws are being further torqued down on diesels
http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diesel-scandal/epa-holding-your-diesel-hostage
So yeah its pretty easy for me to believe that govt agencies (state and fed) are being extremely slow and stingy on giving their blessing to new diesels- post dieselgate I almost can't even blame those tree hugging hippies. I still say it happens just highly doubt we're going to see one in 2017. I'll settle for a concrete start date and details by year end.
That doesn't account for the fact that new diesels keep coming to market in the US. We just got three new compact CUV diesels this year: the Chevy Equinox, Land Rover Discovery, and Jaguar F-Pace. And BMW has been selling a diesel X3 here for a few years. Do you think the EPA is putting the screws to Mazda but going lenient on other manufacturers? I don't buy that.
No more diesel X3 at least not currently listed on bmwusa.. 3 sedan/wagon won't be surprised if they die also when new 3 arrives and X5..way more have left than entered: VW, Audi, Porsche, MB(who had an awesome one in the glk) all down to 0. And no I don't think they're being tougher on Mazda than others I'm sure every one you mentioned was tested, scrutinized and tested again. I still think it'll ultimately happen but what we can say for sure is ain't nothing happening until the EPA says it can and they haven't yet, I seriously doubt its anything else.
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