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[speedhawaii]

I really hope this is $300!!!(nana) (nana) (nana) It's the only way I could keep my Turbohose hardpipes and be as good of a deal as the FMIC's out on the market...

(mswerd) yeah help out the community instead of inflating the prices. there is more than enough demand.

 

[4001]

Not to flame at all, but I dont know that a FMIC is more work. After all, the end tanks of the SMIC are all custom, and the extent of the development of a FMIC is run some pipe and hack the bumper. You could pretty much buy the core and pipe yourself, grab a saw, and do it over the weekend. This is probably why there are about 5 companies w/FMICs for the MSP, but really none w/SMICs out.

You have to figure out a different way for the pipes to be installed because they are taking a different route to the turbo, you cant just slap that together without some designing time. You are using a larger core, there is more piping to be used, more materials overall. I dont see how replacing a stock location intercooler would be just as much work as figuring out a completely new way to mount an intercooler on a car. A FMIC is all custom not just the endtanks. The only FMIC kit that I know that you have to hack the bumper is Ions. Most aftermarket companies are looking for the most power, the best looking product, thats what is in demand in the import scene. People want FMIC's because that think they need it for the huge amounts of power and that it makes the car look better.

 

[biochembruin]

You have to figure out a different way for the pipes to be installed because they are taking a different route to the turbo, you cant just slap that together without some designing time. You are using a larger core, there is more piping to be used, more materials overall. I dont see how replacing a stock location intercooler would be just as much work as figuring out a completely new way to mount an intercooler on a car. A FMIC is all custom not just the endtanks. The only FMIC kit that I know that you have to hack the bumper is Ions. Most aftermarket companies are looking for the most power, the best looking product, thats what is in demand in the import scene. People want FMIC's because that think they need it for the huge amounts of power and that it makes the car look better.

Ok, thats true about more people wanting FMIC because of the import scene. I still think that running the piping is pretty straight forward, and many of the core and end tank designs are straight forward, hence the ability for most places to do a custom FMIC for you. I guess my main point is that SMIC/piping costing about the same as FMIC/piping makes sense to me, thats all.

 

[CChris704]

ok stupid kid is back for another question... what would be more benficial to the cooling and power to money ration... a fmic or a smic?

 

[speedhawaii]

circuit sports 5hp for $600
all fmic around 10hp for $900
turbohoses prob 5hp for (a lot less than 600)???

 

[Quik89Si]

On a somewhat related note - why hasn't anyone come up with a intercooler h20 sprayer setup yet?

For the SRT-4, there's a Mopar add-on that has a sprayer system as well as a dashboard control. And the Mitsu Evo comes stock with an intercooler sprayer system. There must be something that we can get out of this too, right? Or wrong? Wouldn't this help us with our heat-soak problems?

Alex

 

[speedhawaii]

theres some people that have h20 or co2 homemade sprayers

 

[jurgs01]

http://www2.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70502

http://www2.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54269&highlight=water+sprayer

http://www2.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37278&highlight=water+sprayer

Just a few of the many water sprayer threads.

 

[03MSPRO]

I dont understand How a Set of Hard pipes and a SMIC could cost about 850-900 dollars (If the SMIC is 450-500) and you can buy a FMIC for 975-1000. I want a SMIC and will probably buy this set eventually but a FMIC is more materials, more time fabricating and designing since it isnt a stock replacement. I just dont get how so much more work for a FMIC could cost just as much as less work with less materials for a SMIC. The whole reason why I would want a SMIC is becasue I dont plan an making huge power AND to save money over a FMIC Kit ...just doesnt add up

Everything is a rip off, but people pay it. The turbohoses hardpipes cost $395. Do you really think it cost that much for 2 pipes? It is nothing but a completer rip off because there is not enough competition.
Now that there are like 3-4 companies making FMIC, the prices are more competitive. The Hiboost for $900 including a BOV is a really good deal. I am going with the SMIC because like I already said, I don't want to mess with removing the front bumper, I already have hardpipes, I don't plan on 400 hp and anything is better than the crappy stock IC. After the SMIC, I am done with power mods.

 

[03MSPRO]

circuit sports 5hp for $600
all fmic around 10hp for $900
turbohoses prob 5hp for (a lot less than 600)???

Import Racer tested the Circuit Sport SMIC. It made 8 whp and 14 wtq at stock boost. Temp drop was 24 deg. F is I remember right.

 

[celdridge]

Import Racer tested the Circuit Sport SMIC. It made 8 whp and 14 wtq at stock boost. Temp drop was 24 deg. F is I remember right.

Yeah .. ive gotl that magazine too ...but i highly dont trust their dyno results ... i have seen some other cars that they have dynoed that produced unrealistic results. I would guess the gain out of the SMIC was more like 3 - 5 hp. Of course ... it all imo.

 

[03MSPRO]

Yeah .. ive gotl that magazine too ...but i highly dont trust their dyno results ... i have seen some other cars that they have dynoed that produced unrealistic results. I would guess the gain out of the SMIC was more like 3 - 5 hp. Of course ... it all imo.

well, they also got 12 whp from the mid pipe which is the exact same Apex got from their mid pipe. The also tested an air intake and made the power I would have expected, 8 whp after the mid pipe, not some ridiculous 24 whp like some other mag.

 

[celdridge]

well, they also got 12 whp from the mid pipe which is the exact same Apex got from their mid pipe. The also tested an air intake and made the power I would have expected, 8 whp after the mid pipe, not some ridiculous 24 whp like some other mag.

Like I said ... all imo. I have seen some of there writeups that were comical they were so skued in numbers. But driving is beleiving ... maybe the are right.

who knows.

 

[StreetUnit]

If we could just get someone with a good quality one for ~300 - 400 then i would get excited.

It is very time consuming to make this SMIC. Thats why GReddy has not released anything for it. The market isn't big enough to conpensate their time.

Circuit sports SMIC "lacks" quality, has no R&D to back it and uses plain L brackets and theirs is priced at $625. This SMIC has alot of time, labor, R&D behind it, and qualtiy isn't in question here.

 

[StreetUnit]

I dont understand How a Set of Hard pipes and a SMIC could cost about 850-900 dollars (If the SMIC is 450-500) and you can buy a FMIC for 975-1000. I want a SMIC and will probably buy this set eventually but a FMIC is more materials, more time fabricating and designing since it isnt a stock replacement. I just dont get how so much more work for a FMIC could cost just as much as less work with less materials for a SMIC. The whole reason why I would want a SMIC is becasue I dont plan an making huge power AND to save money over a FMIC Kit ...just doesnt add up

Shipping may be, but time, labor, and R&D is not free.

The only differences in a SMIC and a FMIC are:

1) FMIC has more piping and a longer core.
2) Construction time for the SMIC is about triple that of a FMIC. We can have 2.5 FMIC done before one SMIC is finished.
3) The only other thing different is the mounting location.

I don't know why everyone thinks because it is a SMIC, it has to be dirty cheap. SMIC and a FMIC are very similiar and thier cost of production is about the same. One is mounted on the SIDE and one is mounted on the FRONT. One takes longer to make and the other uses more materials.

Normal FMIC w/ a good BOV(w/o Turbohoses quality)....Costs about the same as a Turbohoses SMIC w/ the Piping kit and a GReddy BOV (w/ Turbohoses quality).

 

[03MSPRO]

I would like more info on the Circuit Sports. What do you mean by "lacks" quality? Are you talking about the welds or something else? Also, what is wrong with "L" brackets? I am curious because I might get the CS instead if this one is never realeased.

 

[StreetUnit]

I really hope this is $300!!!(nana) (nana) (nana) It's the only way I could keep my Turbohose hardpipes and be as good of a deal as the FMIC's out on the market...

Do you guys know that a good univeral core with the proper encaps is anywhere between $250-$325? And thats a universal application.

(mswerd) yeah help out the community instead of inflating the prices. there is more than enough demand.

:wtf: Help out the community? (uhm) You got alot of nerve saying that. I am surprised no one jumped on you for saying it either. There just might be a few guys on here that have been helped out greatly from **********.com.

Inflation? Have you looked at prices on the site? Obviously not.

Demand? What do you consider "more than enough demand". I say high demand is 100 Mazdaspeeds that want the SMIC, 10 people is not.

Direct your apology towards the forum, not to me.

 

[StreetUnit]

Everything is a rip off, but people pay it. The turbohoses hardpipes cost $395. Do you really think it cost that much for 2 pipes? It is nothing but a completer rip off because there is not enough competition.
Now that there are like 3-4 companies making FMIC, the prices are more competitive. The Hiboost for $900 including a BOV is a really good deal. I am going with the SMIC because like I already said, I don't want to mess with removing the front bumper, I already have hardpipes, I don't plan on 400 hp and anything is better than the crappy stock IC. After the SMIC, I am done with power mods.

Not enough competition? There are atleast 5 kits that I have seen on the market. Why pay $350 for poor workmanship on one set of pipes when you can pay another $45 for our kit and have the best set of pipes and the best customer service on the market?

Cutting corners only will cost more $ in the long run.

 

[StreetUnit]

Import Racer tested the Circuit Sport SMIC. It made 8 whp and 14 wtq at stock boost. Temp drop was 24 deg. F is I remember right.

Has anyone bought the CS SMIC yet? No, I didn't think so.

 

[StreetUnit]

I would like more info on the Circuit Sports. What do you mean by "lacks" quality? Are you talking about the welds or something else? Also, what is wrong with "L" brackets? I am curious because I might get the CS instead if this one is never realeased.

Give them a call... You should get a straight answer out of them(wiggle) .

Last I heard, their SMIC was backorder... Wait, with all do respect, how can their be a backorder when they haven't sold any????