traded in my Mazdaspeed for an SRT
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We ALL would like to know.
OrangeMSP said:
think Joe did more than 220hp at the wheels for alot less
Yes- that was the wrong question to ask
.. You can get your 3" exhaust done at a local shop for $500 us (you don't NEED a pretty stainless mandrel bent exhaust for only 220 whp), add a drop in K&N ($40) and an MBC ($45) and you have your 220 whp. xsivspd did mid 220's@~10 psi and turbomattyp did 217@9 psi with a stock exhaust- that is a $45 MBC, K&N and a boost gauge- about $150 in parts for 217 whp.Joe
twiztedjeckel
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buster said:
you add C16 and run colder plugs like Joe did and don't run into any issues. thats what
enry
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Re: Loony turds...
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yashooa said:Oh how the sirens call of the straight line has slain another.
Well at least you will have a car that goes well with Nazkar, Ka-oors lite, and
them pork rinds. You can beat the cops back your trailer now after another wife beating episode at the local Goat stumpers club well provided the road doesnt take too many extreme turns along the way.
Dodge engineer answers a pissed of SRTurd-4 owner What you wanted it to turn to!
Dont worry about those turns son just think how cool youll look drifting into a tree.
Then a little black MSP drives by this turd-impaled tree with a quick double tap to his horn BEEP BEEP; like the roadrunner to Wylie E. Coyote. Of course then we have to have the cop at the seen look a the camera and go in perfect piganese Dadubada Dubada Thats all Folks.
Hey I love my car and don't have single problem but if I did maybe I would feel differently. Good luck with the ,"Why is there corn in my seat?" mobile.
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twiztedjeckel
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buster said:
don't tell me you wouldn't rather run on the edge than run in a neon
buster said:
You got me pretty good in torque due to the neon being a 2.4- howeverhorsepower is pretty damn close to my numbers at that PSI.
This isn't a pissing contest, we are talking about both cars being "equal"- *if* you give the MSP the same free flowing exhaust, same psi, etc that the Neon has- they perform VERY similar- actually, the MSP is a touch quicker than any stock SRT4 I have seen running at the track- they are nowhere near the magazine times- and it is not driver either- they are only trapping mid 90's!!
At the same time- if you give the Neon the same suspension setup, LSD, etc that the MSP has and they will hande about the same. It is all personal preference. I almost bought a Neon instead (hell, everytime I run into a tuning "hurdle", I sawi I should have gotten the Neon to this day
), but would rather do performance mods to equal the playing field than crack open a trans in a new car to install an LSD. I wasn't too concerned about the handling characteristics of either car until after I got my MSP and really learned to appreciate the handling.Oh yeah, $130 is too much for a manual controller- I don't care what it is
.Joe
buster said:
Unfortunately, only time will tell
.. No offense to the guys that have blown up (hell, I'm sure I'll be joining you some day ), but all the cars that have blown up were not in a good enough tune to run the PSI they were running- they were all detonating and they all popped. I'm sure the motor isn't the strongest out there, but without pushing the envelope and knowing for myself that it was tuned right, I just don't know exactly where the edge is. It could run forever as long as it is tuned right, or it could pop tomorrow due to the increased stress. I do know that it has lasted longer than others while running more boost also .Joe
enry
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Considering MSRP is aboot the same for the 2 cars (I think 1K less for SRT?), they are pretty much at par. The MSP cannot compete in raw juice, but the SRT cannot compete in BASE accessories.
SRT over MSP:
- way, WAY more power
- electronic trunk release
- boost gauge
MSP over SRT:
- LSD (Don't friggen tell me it will be standard next year. Will it be the same price?!?!? is it available now?!?!? let's stick to the facts)
- REAL sound system
- improved susp / handling
- better tires
- 4 year, 50,000mi warranty (vs 3/36 for the srt)
So my guess is, if you want to take your MSP to the power of the SRT-4, you will spend probably as much as if you wanted to make your **BASE** SRT-4 to the feature level of the MSP.
Someone should check out what it would really cost to do either upgrade.
Although in my opinion it's a personal choice. Performance cars are often purchase because of a preference. If you PREFER neon, if you PREFER protege, if you PREFER civic, etc.... Everyhthing else is really just excuses we give to other people when they ask "WTF, YOU SPENT THAT MUCH ON A CAR, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET XXXXXXX?".
Like to be honest, there is nothing in the world you could do to make me buy another FORD or DODGE. You could give it to me for free I would say no thanks. That's just me though.
Keep it civil in here....
SRT over MSP:
- way, WAY more power
- electronic trunk release
- boost gauge
MSP over SRT:
- LSD (Don't friggen tell me it will be standard next year. Will it be the same price?!?!? is it available now?!?!? let's stick to the facts)
- REAL sound system
- improved susp / handling
- better tires
- 4 year, 50,000mi warranty (vs 3/36 for the srt)
So my guess is, if you want to take your MSP to the power of the SRT-4, you will spend probably as much as if you wanted to make your **BASE** SRT-4 to the feature level of the MSP.
Someone should check out what it would really cost to do either upgrade.
Although in my opinion it's a personal choice. Performance cars are often purchase because of a preference. If you PREFER neon, if you PREFER protege, if you PREFER civic, etc.... Everyhthing else is really just excuses we give to other people when they ask "WTF, YOU SPENT THAT MUCH ON A CAR, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET XXXXXXX?".
Like to be honest, there is nothing in the world you could do to make me buy another FORD or DODGE. You could give it to me for free I would say no thanks. That's just me though.
Keep it civil in here....
enry
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kwiktsi said:
Yes- that was the wrong question to ask
Joe
How safe is that on the stock internals:
- tranny
- clutch / LSD
- I/C
twiztedjeckel
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enry said:
tell me i honestly didn't just read the word "aboot"
enry said:
Trany, clutch and LSD are going to be more affected by driving style- you beat it, you break it, you repsect the fact that it is handling almost twice the original power- it will last a lot longer
. Just going WOT will not break it, powershifting and dumping the clutch will- even in a 100% stock car.I am more concerned with the motor itself, but like I said in my other post- only time will tell.. This is too new to all of us and we have nothing to make a fair comparison or to come to a fair conclusion. The cars that have died so far were marked for death once the owner cranked the boost up
. There are a lot of variables to be considered and a lot of things that need to be monitored- boost, AF, DETONATION, etc. If you just blindly crank the boost and hammer it, the car will not last .Joe
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Hate you, no, but be dissappointed, YES!! It's cool you got what you actually wanted and everything, but the SRT-4 really isn't that much faster even though they says it's got a bigger engine. Read the june edition of motor trend. if the SRT-4 beat the MSP in anything, we were right on it's @$$.. and for handling, the SRT-4 didn't even make it in the top 20 in road and track, and let a lone the top 10 (where the MSP ranked 8 overall and beat cars like the 911 turbo in slalom)... soo there are ups and downs to everything, one big up to the MSP being only 2000 made to the SRT-4's like 12000 produced in 2003. well have fun with it..
Nixy
You just back dat Modirific ass up and leave this thread be.
This is the classic struggle between good looks and poise -vs- Brute strength and hideously marred appearance.
You of all people being a Gooy-goo Jutsu Juey "Masta" should know that it's not about the size of the engine but who kicks who in the balls first!
(nuts)
In other words this white Devil is having some fun so just give war a chance you vicious thread mover. :mad:
Can't we all just spread the love a little longer Nixy Poo? Huh? Brutha man? Can we? (k) (fight) (spank) (usa) (naughty)
LinuxRacr said:
You just back dat Modirific ass up and leave this thread be.
This is the classic struggle between good looks and poise -vs- Brute strength and hideously marred appearance.
You of all people being a Gooy-goo Jutsu Juey "Masta" should know that it's not about the size of the engine but who kicks who in the balls first!
(nuts) In other words this white Devil is having some fun so just give war a chance you vicious thread mover. :mad:
Can't we all just spread the love a little longer Nixy Poo? Huh? Brutha man? Can we? (k) (fight) (spank) (usa) (naughty)
Re: Nixy
:wtf: Dood, you have a unique way with words. Reminds me of this red-headed dude who used to post here...Syz...something...
yashooa said:
You just back dat Modirific ass up and leave this thread be.
This is the classic struggle between good looks and poise -vs- Brute strength and hideously marred appearance.
You of all people being a Gooy-goo Jutsu Juey "Masta" should know that it's not about the size of the engine but who kicks who in the balls first!
In other words this white Devil is having some fun so just give war a chance you vicious thread mover. :mad:
Can't we all just spread the love a little longer Nixy Poo? Huh? Brutha man? Can we? (k) (fight) (spank) (usa) (naughty)
:wtf: Dood, you have a unique way with words. Reminds me of this red-headed dude who used to post here...Syz...something...
Nah you want to start a real pissing fight then make a thread "Which looks better SRT or MSP". People will probably jump all around in that.
Course kinda of a mute agrument since you can not say that a car is ugly in everyones mind. We each have our own tastes which are neither wrong nor right.
Yet for some reason that argrument goes around and around on this board, expect by a few who realize this reality.
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Course kinda of a mute agrument since you can not say that a car is ugly in everyones mind. We each have our own tastes which are neither wrong nor right.
Yet for some reason that argrument goes around and around on this board, expect by a few who realize this reality.
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