the handling of the p5

tranzformer

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2002 P5
well after test driving the p5 a few times, i realize its great handling ability and whats possible with it. some of my friends dont believe me, but does anyone have a site with what it got as far as in the handling department and a comparison with some other cars as well??
 
your friends are tools. :D Car and Driver says "the engine revs so willingly that the car feels quicker. And wagonizing did nothing to blunt the Protegs terrific steering and handling." stock the car pulls about .8 g on the skidpad!

that and the first place victory it took out of six in that same magazine: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=2338&page_number=6
copied below.

We talk a great game. We invite you along on an in-depth evaluation of a new class of extra-roomy carryalls, then what do we do? Right, we fall in love with a low-roof model offering the least interior space. That's the kind of guys we arelots of promises upfront about deep conversations and pursuing the well-rounded life, but when the pretenses drop away, same as always, we're here for the heavy breathing.
This Mazda, like the Proteg four-door on which it's based, is really fun in the twisties. Ride is taut, body roll is tightly controlled, the 50-series Dunlops respond crisply, and they bite (0.79 g). You can set up a happy understeer with light braking on the way into turns, or push in hard under power, then lift a bit when you need to tighten the line. The knee bone is connected to the thigh bone, with no wobbles and no excuses. Precise. Predictable. Press on!

Not that you need to be on fast forward all the time to have fun. The clutch takes up with the trusty smoothness of the Supreme Court. The gearbox throws are short and succinct. The seat fits, the sports-car driving position says excitement, and the off-white gauges are legible and all business. The engine is rather loud, it's true, and you feel it buzzing the wheel most of the time in a way the PT Cruiser's never does. It's an emotional thing with car guys. Some engines make you feel right, even though they don't deliver special numbers. In fact, the husky-voiced Mazda and the laid-back Chrysler run side by side in the acceleration tests all the way to top speed, where the Mazda, at 113 mph, has a thin-sliced advantage of just 1 mph.
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In concept, this is a notchback sedan redrawn into a hatchback. The roofline has been extended rearward some, but not far enough to give real station-wagon capacity. Still, the original notch is a darn good people hauler, an advantage that enables this Proteg5 to do well in comparison with the others here. It can't match the space in the PT Cruiser and the twins, but there's plenty in just the right places for two adults, and the seat is exceptionally comfortable, enough to earn our top rating.
For cargo, the rear seat folds station-wagon style, creating a small step down to the load floor behind. Frat boys may have to make two trips; capacity is only 18 beer cases, least of all. But let's talk barbecue skewers; the Mazda transports 117-inchers, two inches longer than in the second-best Suzuki.

Okay, maybe the numbers add up to a weak case, but check that red paint.
 
thanx for that link. so if the p5 does around .80, what would it take to increase that to the .80-.9 range, or is that out of the question.
 
tranzformer said:
thanx for that link. so if the p5 does around .80, what would it take to increase that to the .80-.9 range, or is that out of the question.
not at all - good suspension upgrades (springs, struts, stiffer swaybars, etc) would easily better an already sweet handling car.
 
Captain KRM P5 said:
not at all - good suspension upgrades (springs, struts, stiffer swaybars, etc) would easily better an already sweet handling car.

when i was looking at a few p5's, i noticed that it came with a front sway bar right??
 
Captain KRM P5 said:
not at all - good suspension upgrades (springs, struts, stiffer swaybars, etc) would easily better an already sweet handling car.
Don't forget tires. Definetely the most important aspect about handling.
 
Always keep in mind what kind of roads you're setting up your car for. Sometimes more is less. And keep in mind that there's a lot more to handling dynamics than a number on a skidpad.

i.e. a super-stiff suspension will give you less grip if you drive on less-than-perfect roads with potholes and bumps since the suspension is less compliant and makes the tire bounce up and down and lose contact with the road instead of the suspension absorbing said bumps and keeping the tire in contact with the road. On a track, where the pavement is superb, stiffer is better since it keeps the car level and divides the task of grip more evenly between tires under cornering loads. So, make it a goal to find the sweet spot between stiff and soft that works for the kinds of roads you push your car to the limits on.
 
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KpaBap said:
Always keep in mind what kind of roads you're setting up your car for. Sometimes more is less.

i.e. a super-stiff suspension will give you less grip if you drive on less-than-perfect roads with potholes and bumps since the suspension is less compliant and makes the tire bounce up and down and lose contact with the road instead of the suspension absorbing said bumps and keeping the tire in contact with the road. On a track, where the pavement is superb, stiffer is better since it keeps the car level and divides the task of grip more evenly between tires under cornering loads. So, make it a goal to find the sweet spot between stiff and soft that works for the kinds of roads you push your car to the limits on.


yeah good post. i wasnt planning on going with a full race bred suspension, just something alittle better than the stock
 
A good 4-wheel alignment with custom settings and good tires would be a good start. Sorry I can't recommend what alignment settings would be good for the Protege but I'm sure people here can.

For me, it was:

Front:
Caster: Max it will go (+5.0 degrees for me)
Camber: -1.5 degrees
Toe: 1/16th of an inch OUT

Rear:
Camber: -2 degrees
Toe: 1/16th of an inch IN

This is all probably worthless for Proteges :)
 
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Winner!

motor trend has given the mp5 an excellent 66.4mph through the slalom. they say it challenges most sport cars and it's better than the WRX wagon by 2mph!
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heres what they said:

HOT:
Lexus looks, Mazda price
Poised in the slalom
Runs on regular gas

And what they didnt like:

NOT:
Needs 20-50-hp bump
Little cargo room for wagon
Look-at-me yellow


The Protege5 does, however, offer a more useable amount of torque at a lower rpm than the Matrix XRS: 135 lb-ft at 4000 rpm versus 130 lb-ft at 6800 rpm. Because of this around-town-rpm earnestness, we'd hardly say the Protege5 is slow--it's merely horsepower challenged. Still, it doesn't embarrass itself at the test track, returning a decent 8.82-sec sprint to 60 mph, and clips the slalom cones at a pace (66.4 mph) that would challenge most sports cars. No doubt the trick strut-tower brace and anti-roll bars aided in wagon's extremely flat and predictable nature. Equipped with ABS, the Protege5 comes to a halt from 60 mph in a respectable 124 ft.



Specifically, we learned to appreciate Mazda's Protege5 for its bargain price of entry, the styling of a Lexus IS 300 SportCross (almost), and its extremely well-engineered suspension package that runs with the best of them yet doesn't beat occupants to a frothy foam. Bonus points for a clean engine plus good fuel mileage. What it lacks is the seat-up cargo space befitting a wagon, about 30 hp, and a 17-in. wheel package. Just the 10 horses and other goodies that already appear on the MP3 sedan would greatly increase its appeal.

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Reviews like this make me really glad I bought my Protege5!:)



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I know, whats wrong with yellow.... i think it looks good on the mp5.

And it's NOT a wagon! It's a hatchback!(thumb)
 
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The P5 is a gret hangling car straight out of the box. If I remember correctly, it actually pulled a .87 on the skidpad, which puts it up with high-end touring sedans (BMW).

To improve the handling, here's a simple recipie: Get an Eiback prokit and Tokico shocks, new tires (and possibly rims), and if you still have money, get yourself a new rear swar bar. You now have a wonderful little machine that is still perfectly drivable on the street.
 
jjac28 said:
I know, whats wrong with yellow.... i think it looks good on the mp5.

And it's NOT a wagon! It's a hatchback!(thumb)
hey, if they want to call it a station wagon, thats fine by me. makes them feel even worse when they hear the blow off valve from my yellow "station wagon" :D
 
Pretzellogic said:
The P5 is a gret hangling car straight out of the box. If I remember correctly, it actually pulled a .87 on the skidpad, which puts it up with high-end touring sedans (BMW).

actually it was a .79g maybe .87 or higher with suspension upgrades and tires.
 
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