The 2nd MS6 Build-a-Beast in the country!!!

[whooosh]

in any event, we are building the motor on jason's 6 and will aim to prove you wrong soon i never did get to congratulate you on your own dyno. we still have more torque though

Thanks Ken
sometimes I just like to poke at you, not sure why...
I wish Jon the best of luck with his car and anyone else that dropped 5k on PG short blocks
I never wish failure on anyone

understand, that if I knew opening my laptop to truly tune the car as it should be (stand alone) then lower C/R's is the way to go hands down
I'm from the low C/R-high boost camp
well at least before this car

only time, dyno, track results will tell though
again, hoping for the best


oh, about that tq statement
can you or Jason attach the dyno graph and video?
I've never seen it.
I've heard the hp/tq number quotes before though

 

[jcgemt2003]

Here you are woosh....now please make sure that if you compare this to yours or repost that you keep in mind that this was with that stupid map clamp from atp and the xede. I cant post the other dynos because they were on my other computer that freakn crashed. The atp fcd is the reason that its all crazy in the high rpms. I figured though that this would suffice.(hump)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Thanks Ken
sometimes I just like to poke at you, not sure why...
I wish Jon the best of luck with his car and anyone else that dropped 5k on PG short blocks
I never wish failure on anyone

understand, that if I knew opening my laptop to truly tune the car as it should be (stand alone) then lower C/R's is the way to go hands down
I'm from the low C/R-high boost camp
well at least before this car

only time, dyno, track results will tell though
again, hoping for the best


oh, about that tq statement
can you or Jason attach the dyno graph and video?
I've never seen it.
I've heard the hp/tq number quotes before though

i know you like to poke at me, i don't mind it. there is always more than one way of doing things which may be right. i talked with chris a great deal when his 'build a beast' went sour and i think its even apparent in his old thread what led to his car's eventual failure. there is no stand alone which would have solved his problems. nothing short of a complete rebuild and new personnel under the hood would have put that car back on track.

i don't want to attack anyone, but it was apparent that the people that put his car together and 'tuned' it were out to take his money and nothing more. his cams snapped early on after firing the car up. my recommendation was to obtain a new head. the head does not have journal bearings, so any warpage which would cause the cams to break would also have rendered the head unusable or at least requiring machine work. the head was reused and the car never ran right after that. i had this problem before, a technician torqued the head down out of sequence to the wrong torque and torqued the cams down out of sequence and to the wrong specs. the end result was similar to what happened on chris' car; misfiring, variant air/fuel ratios and an inability to tune around it. that and as i recall his tuner spent less than an hour with the car actually tuning the standback and put the blame on cp-e.

when a head is installed wrong and cams are installed wrong and they break, you need to do the right thing and start fresh. this is not a problem with direct injection, its a problem with poor installation.

 

[jville]

well stated.^

 

[4DRHTRD]

Has it been verified yet if the rods/pistons will "bolt in" on a stock motor yet without machining?
Just curious

 

[2.0t03speed]

you cant do that on any motor

 

[mrlilguy157]

Has it been verified yet if the rods/pistons will "bolt in" on a stock motor yet without machining?
Just curious

you'll have to drop the motor to pull the head and do the rods/pistons, and it'd be a poor decision to drop the new rods and pistons in the car without honing the cylinders, especially on a speed6 which could have been on the road for 2 more years than a speed3 (06 to 08 comparison).

 

[PerformanceRacing]

If Whoosh put down 367 on a dynojet, thats about 327 on a mustang.. which is exactly what I put down at 17lbs with my GT3071R. Something isn't right.

I know whoosh can get more power with better tuning, better temps/cooling =)

I also still need to fix my fkn standback, the car rarely turns on when installed and CP-E is NOT replying to emails or my phone call, ridiculous. Been 2+ months.
Anyhow, once fixed, I need to tune my top end, on the dyno. my map was borrowed from another member who street tuned it himself, with no timing adjustments. tuning teh top end with a GT30 should yield a few more ponies and leaning it out will increase the torque curve (how jcg got 390+lbs/tq).

 

[RoadRage]

i was planning on doing Arias Pistons and Pauter Rods in the next week or two, is there anything special that you are doing to prep the block ken? also what are are you ballanceing the assembly?

im just trying to justify the 5k?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

im just trying to justify the 5k?

i'm trying not to take offense here

tally up the cost of a new block, new balance shafts, a new crank, new seals, new bearings, the pistons, rings, bolts and rods themselves and in parts alone at retail you will be past $5000. with the labor involved and time spent in assembling these blocks i have been called generous to sell them at $5000 by more than one machine shop. we don't use used blocks so there is no need to machine the cylinders or dip the engine unless tolerances (which we check before assembly) were out of spec. all internals going into the engine are weighed before and after we receive them and checked by us and the manufacturer. all internals have their own spec documentation for that particular batch as well. quite alot of research and effort goes into putting one of these together.

you'll have to drop the motor to pull the head and do the rods/pistons, and it'd be a poor decision to drop the new rods and pistons in the car without honing the cylinders, especially on a speed6 which could have been on the road for 2 more years than a speed3 (06 to 08 comparison).

you also have to contend with the oil squirters here. pulling and installing new ones on a block that is in the car is not a fun job

Has it been verified yet if the rods/pistons will "bolt in" on a stock motor yet without machining?
Just curious

if you have a brand new block yes, the arias pistons and pauter rods we sell will fit the engine. if your engine has some wear on it, i would recommend checking your piston to wall tolerances, cross hatching and for possible scoring as your block may need machine work.

 

[whooosh]

If Whoosh put down 367 on a dynojet, thats about 327 on a mustang.. which is exactly what I put down at 17lbs with my GT3071R. Something isn't right.

I know whoosh can get more power with better tuning, better temps/cooling =)

I also still need to fix my fkn standback, the car rarely turns on when installed and CP-E is NOT replying to emails or my phone call, ridiculous. Been 2+ months.
Anyhow, once fixed, I need to tune my top end, on the dyno. my map was borrowed from another member who street tuned it himself, with no timing adjustments. tuning teh top end with a GT30 should yield a few more ponies and leaning it out will increase the torque curve (how jcg got 390+lbs/tq).

please don't talk about my car like you know it
as for your dyno
let's see the sheet, video, pics whatever
so tired of BS talk regarding Mazdas
I'm about to throw down the gauntlet on this dyno crap and show you guys "what's up" regardless of it being a speed 3 or 6 and what brand dyno

sometimes, some people just know how to do things that others can't comprehend

 

[FORZDA 1]

.....sometimes, some people just know how to do things that others can't comprehend

Well said Whooosh. Oh, and congrats on the dyno numbers. I'm not chasing your numbers, but your work and excellent posts provide valuable info for those of us modding to somewhat lesser power levels.

 

[jcgemt2003]

please don't talk about my car like you know it
as for your dyno
let's see the sheet, video, pics whatever
so tired of BS talk regarding Mazdas
I'm about to throw down the gauntlet on this dyno crap and show you guys "what's up" regardless of it being a speed 3 or 6 and what brand dyno

sometimes, some people just know how to do things that others can't comprehend

Dont sweat it man....That would mean that I only made less than 300whp on a mustang dyno. Who really gives a crap(ugh)
I just found out that they are putting the compressor wheel for a gt35 on my turbo.

 

[mrlilguy157]

I just found out that they are putting the compressor wheel for a gt35 on my turbo.

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(bird)

 

[jcgemt2003]

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(bird)

I hate you (eekfu) There was actually more to that but the phone rang and well fuk it.

 

[mrlilguy157]

I hate you (eekfu) There was actually more to that but the phone rang and well fuk it.

danggg..... you got the guy with both fingers.

you win. but my car is and will always be faster.

 

[whooosh]

it's cool, guys don't fight...Ken doesn't like his brood up in arms
I'm flattered you guys are following me by installing a 35R now(thought)

 

[BoostedSpd6]

so any new news???

 

[whooosh]

so any new news???

hey look who it is....
how's the phantom Walbro in tank pump working for you so far?
please update us on that and post your pics

 

[ktan91]

so I'm guessing no one really got the Walbro pump to work?
I never knew you aren't suppose to drop in rods/pistons to a regular motor w/o work. I thought it was an easy switch-a-rooo (with some hours of labor). I never really read how much HP to the crank our stock internals can handle? Everyone who blew 'em were just random.. or misshift . Whoosh, are you going to turn it up 28psi+ on stock internals? 'cus that would be SICK!... and I would immediately buy a GT35R.