tattoos

[Kooldino]

It is an outdated idea, and people shouldn't perpetuate the myth...left=straight, right=***.

What does it mean when a guy has both ears pierced?

I'm not saying that people may not still beleive this stupidity, I'm just saying that that kind of thinking is silly these days. Considering how much more mainstream body piercing and tattooing has come.

Do you think that everyone with tattoos is criminal?

Jay

Well, whatever the case...it's the truth. It's kind of a "reserved" place to wear an earring...and it's a way for gay guys to kind of let people know that they are gay. It's basically the equivalent of putting a rainbow sticker on your car. As for guys who wear an earring in each ear...they're typically not considered gay.

 

[Kooldino]

It is an outdated idea, and people shouldn't perpetuate the myth...left=straight, right=***.

What does it mean when a guy has both ears pierced?

I'm not saying that people may not still beleive this stupidity, I'm just saying that that kind of thinking is silly these days. Considering how much more mainstream body piercing and tattooing has come.

Do you think that everyone with tattoos is criminal?

Jay

Also, i think "myth" is the wrong word to use here. "Big feet=big penis" is a MYTH, but where you wear your earring is up to you.

 

[Kooldino]

Do you think that everyone with tattoos is criminal?
Jay

Yes. ESPECIALLY adragonfly.

Don't put words into my mouth...you're trying to use a counterexample that doesn't work right...It's not really "common belief" that tatooed people were criminals (and it never was a belief in my lifetime). Although, I'd be interested to see the corrolation between tatoos and criminals...hehe.

 

[Kooldino]

Around here it doesn't mean gay/straight... it actually means dominant vs. submissive. And people do still check.

dominant vs. submissive on a man? So right would be submissive? Care to elaborate on this?

BTW, we are REALLY OT.

 

[neuromancer]

Yes. ESPECIALLY adragonfly.

Don't put words into my mouth...you're trying to use a counterexample that doesn't work right...It's not really "common belief" that tatooed people were criminals (and it never was a belief in my lifetime). Although, I'd be interested to see the corrolation between tatoos and criminals...hehe.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I was asking a question.

As for criminals and tattoos. I remember seeing a statistic that said 90% of people currently in prison are tattooed. If you read about the history of tattoos you'll see that a common thought was that tattooed people were either in the military, bikers or criminals. Only in the last 10 years or so have we seen a lot of 'normal' people getting tattoos.

I can remember my first trip into a tattoo studio (one of two in the city, now there is about 10). It was a very typical biker place. I felt very out of place there, surrounded by bikers...the only non-biker in the shop was a person in the military. The guy who did my first one killed 1/2 a six pack of beer while he did it...ah those were the days.

But honestly I really didn't think people still equated right earing=gay. I'm surprised that some people would still buy into that crap.

Jay

-If you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit of a tattoo/body piercing enthusiast.

 

[neuromancer]

It's the other way around.

So if I were a gay submissive man, what the hell would I do then?

I think this 'code' is pretty local to your area. As I have not come accross this before, and have seen no mention of it in the BDSM FAQ.

Jay

 

[Kooldino]

I didn't put words in your mouth. I was asking a question.

As for criminals and tattoos. I remember seeing a statistic that said 90% of people currently in prison are tattooed. If you read about the history of tattoos you'll see that a common thought was that tattooed people were either in the military, bikers or criminals. Only in the last 10 years or so have we seen a lot of 'normal' people getting tattoos.

I can remember my first trip into a tattoo studio (one of two in the city, now there is about 10). It was a very typical biker place. I felt very out of place there, surrounded by bikers...the only non-biker in the shop was a person in the military. The guy who did my first one killed 1/2 a six pack of beer while he did it...ah those were the days.

But honestly I really didn't think people still equated right earing=gay. I'm surprised that some people would still buy into that crap.

Jay

-If you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit of a tattoo/body piercing enthusiast.

So if 90% of the people in prison are tatooed, then you're basically proving the idea that "tatoo=criminal"...to an extent... because statistically most criminals have tatoos. Since you tried to use that as an analogy to "right earring=gay" and you didn't believe that "right earring=gay" then you just basically proved yourself wrong.

"I'm surprised that some people would still buy into that crap."

Buy into that crap? AGAIN, it's not some "shoe size = penis size" myth...it's something that people do. That's like saying "people with rainbow stickers on their car = gay? I can't believe people still buy into that crap."

 

[neuromancer]

So if 90% of the people in prison are tatooed, then you're basically proving the idea that "tatoo=criminal"...to an extent... because statistically most criminals have tatoos. Since you tried to use that as an analogy to "right earring=gay" and you didn't believe that "right earring=gay" then you just basically proved yourself wrong.

"I'm surprised that some people would still buy into that crap."

Buy into that crap? AGAIN, it's not some "shoe size = penis size" myth...it's something that people do. That's like saying "people with rainbow stickers on their car = gay? I can't believe people still buy into that crap."

I'm not proving anything right or wrong. I provided a statistic, infer your own conclusions I suppose.

Assuming that my statistic is correct (I am taking it from memory, after all), all it tells is that 90% of the current prison population is tattooed. That says nothing about tattooed people really. It does not mean that 90% of people with tattoos are criminals/ex-cons.

And just becuase a certain segment of the population (gay men) have their right ear pierced does not really say anything about earings in the right ear for the rest of the population. I am sure you'd find that most gay men wear blue jeans, does this mean that everyone wearing blue jeans is gay? Or that you should make assumptions about someone wearing blue jeans? Probably not.

That's my point. You shouldn't make assumptions about EVERYONE based on something that only a small segment of society does (or attaches a certain meaning too).

You rainbow sticker example is an interesting one. I feel that it is a slightly different case, as the rainbow sticker (Although I haven't really paid attention, nor do I really care) is something used exclusively with the purpose of advertising one's sexual prefrence. An earing in the right ear does not, many people who are not gay have their right ear pierced. At anyrate >I< would not assume that someone is gay based on a sticker on their car, they may just have a fondness for rainbows? In fact I will say that I don't ponder others sexual prefrence at all.

I'm sure if you look at other population factors in a prison for example you might see other less popular trends based on race and the color of people's skin, that you shouldn't apply all people.

Jay

Sorry for the mostly off topic stuff.

 

[adragonfly]

Yes. ESPECIALLY adragonfly.

Don't put words into my mouth...you're trying to use a counterexample that doesn't work right...It's not really "common belief" that tatooed people were criminals (and it never was a belief in my lifetime). Although, I'd be interested to see the corrolation between tatoos and criminals...hehe.

You got me... I have tattoos, and that makes me a bad, bad girl... lol

 

[Kooldino]

I'm not proving anything right or wrong. I provided a statistic, infer your own conclusions I suppose.

Assuming that my statistic is correct (I am taking it from memory, after all), all it tells is that 90% of the current prison population is tattooed. That says nothing about tattooed people really. It does not mean that 90% of people with tattoos are criminals/ex-cons.

NO, but it does show a corrolation. It basically shows this:
criminal=most likely tatooed
Based on that alone, you can't assume that a tatooed person is a criminial, but chances are...if you have a tatoo,you're more likely to be a criminal than someone who doesn't have a tatoo.

 

[neuromancer]

NO, but it does show a corrolation. It basically shows this:
criminal=most likely tatooed
Based on that alone, you can't assume that a tatooed person is a criminial, but chances are...if you have a tatoo,you're more likely to be a criminal than someone who doesn't have a tatoo.

But what if the population of criminals who have done time is only 1% (ya that's probably LOW in the US)? You are talking about a very small segment of the population, and I wouldn't draw conclusions based on THAT statistic.

if you have a tatoo,you're more likely to be a criminal than someone who doesn't have a tatoo

I'll give you this point. Assuming the other statistic you base that observation on is correct

At any rate I'm pretty much done here. My original point is getting lost in verbal masturbation You know my opinion, I know yours. Good enough.


Jay

-Not to be picky...it is tatToo.

 

[Kooldino]

And just becuase a certain segment of the population (gay men) have their right ear pierced does not really say anything about earings in the right ear for the rest of the population. I am sure you'd find that most gay men wear blue jeans, does this mean that everyone wearing blue jeans is gay? Or that you should make assumptions about someone wearing blue jeans? Probably not.

That's my point. You shouldn't make assumptions about EVERYONE based on something that only a small segment of society does (or attaches a certain meaning too).

See, but your example again, is a little off. Statistically, MOST people wear blue jeans, whether they are gay or not. I sincerely doubt there's a much higher likelyhood of gay men wearing blue jeans than there is a straight man wearing blue jeans. So here's why your example DOES NOT work:

Let's assume most gay men wear blue jeans.
However, most straight men wear blue jeans.
Therefore, wearing blue jeans isn't a trait that's prodominent among gay men.

Now if 90% of gay men wore blue jeans...and 1% of straight men wore blue jeans...then CHANCES ARE if you wear blue jeans, you want manly lovin'.

Now lets apply things to the earrings...
Somewhere along the line, someone came up with wearing an earring in your right ear as a sign to let others know that you're gay. People still do this to this day.

Now...let's assume that SIGNIFICANTLY more gay men wear an earring JUST in their right ear than straight men do. I have no hard proof of this, but general consensus would lead this to be true. Just to put a number on it for the example...let's say that 40% of gay men wear an earring in their right ear only...and .001% of straight men wear an earring in their right ear only. If you wear an earring in your right ear, does it mean your GAY? No, certainly not...but there's a damn good chance of it.

 

[Kooldino]

You rainbow sticker example is an interesting one. I feel that it is a slightly different case, as the rainbow sticker (Although I haven't really paid attention, nor do I really care) is something used exclusively with the purpose of advertising one's sexual prefrence. An earing in the right ear does not, many people who are not gay have their right ear pierced. At anyrate >I< would not assume that someone is gay based on a sticker on their car, they may just have a fondness for rainbows? In fact I will say that I don't ponder others sexual prefrence at all.

I'm sure if you look at other population factors in a prison for example you might see other less popular trends based on race and the color of people's skin, that you shouldn't apply all people.

Jay

Sorry for the mostly off topic stuff.

See, that's where we disagree...I feel that wearing an earring in your just right ear is just as reserved for signaling that you're gay as a rainbow sticker on your car.

So if you saw someone with a rainbow in their car, you wouldn't assume that they were gay? That's just foolish. Probably 99% of people with rainbow stickers on their car are gay. If it's not 99%, it's gotta be damn close to it...as long as it's more than 50%, it will prove my point. Hell, for the sake of argument, let's say 51% of people with rainbow stickers on their car are gay (although we all know that the percentage is higher than that). If I see a random car with a rainbow sticker on it, CHANCES ARE...they're gay. Are they DEFINITELY gay? No...but PROBABLY.

As for your race comment...ok, let's make up some races...there's blue, green, and purple colored people on Mars. Mars is...let's say...60% blue, 30% green, and 10% purple. Mars has a fair justice system. However, of the prisoners in Mars' jails, 70% of them are purple, 20% are green, and 10% are blue.

Now...does that mean that if you are purple that you are a criminal? Hell no. But I'd keep my eye on you just in case. Why? Because there's less purple people on Mars than any other color, but they have (by far) the highest criminal rate among them.

Inversely...if you're blue, does that mean that you're not a criminal? Hell no. But chances are, you're not a criminal. But if you're purple...there's a good chance you ARE a criminal.

Now if you walk into a room and someone is found dead on the floor (a GREENie)...and there is a blue guy and a purple guy both standing there bloodied up, can you assume that the purple guy did it? Hell no. However, statistically (in my Mars) chances are that the blue guy is innocent and the purple guy is guilty. Luckily, that alone is not enough to convict the purple guy...no one should be convicted until they are proven guilty. But if I walked into that room on Mars, and someone was taking bets on who was guilty in that situation...I'd play the odds and bet on purple being guilty.

Sorry for my replies being long and broken up from your original reply, but I wanted to comment on one point at a time.

 

[kep0ne]

kooldino is a post *****. lol

 

[Kooldino]

But what if the population of criminals who have done time is only 1% (ya that's probably LOW in the US)? You are talking about a very small segment of the population, and I wouldn't draw conclusions based on THAT statistic.

if you have a tatoo,you're more likely to be a criminal than someone who doesn't have a tatoo

I'll give you this point. Assuming the other statistic you base that observation on is correct

At any rate I'm pretty much done here. My original point is getting lost in verbal masturbation You know my opinion, I know yours. Good enough.


Jay

-Not to be picky...it is tatToo.

Oh...sorry for the misspell. Tattoo...got it.

I don't get what you're trying to say about the 1% thing. But anyway, I look at it like this. If you have a tatoo, you're not automatically a criminal. But your more likely to be. So if I were in a situation where 2 people were on trial for something, and I was to BET $ on who was guilty, I'd bet on the tatooed guy. Logic tells you why.

 

[Kooldino]

kooldino is a post *****. lol

you say it like it's a BAD thing! So I spend a lot of time on here...i admit it.

 

[70]

So, anybody else have a tattoo??

Or are we going to continue the drama of who has what ear pierced and how that means they are more likely to do something...

The way to tell if a tattooed person is a criminal, look at what the tat is...Jail house tats stand out because of what the tat is, and the quality...Just a thought.

Usually the quality isn't that great.

 

[FuNwaGoN]

Well I have 2. One on my ankle and the other in the center of my back between my shoulderblades. I got the first one on my ankle when I was 18 and I got the one on my back about 2 months ago on my 25th birthday. I though about the second one for a long long time and I had drawn about 100 different versions of it but I finally came up with one I loved and that is the one I got. BTW just a side note. I am an artist too and so I drew both of my tattoos. I'm just not big on using other peoples work to decorate my body. Although I have seen a minature Dali that anil gupta did and I was in love. If it was possible I would get a wassilly kandinsky on my arm but I think his work is a little too complex to be captured in a tattoo. Almost go a calvin and hobbes tattoo but again didn't want someone elses drawings on me for life. Oh I guess I should tell you what the tattoos are of now since I don't have pictures. THe one on my ankle is a Minature Gecko Lizard and I have to say that the detail is awesome. It was actually featured in a magazine of the tattoo artists work back when I got it. Well I went back to the same person for my second and it is a aztec sun with a gecko lizard in the middle of it. I will get pic taken soon and put them up. Also uesd to have my LEFT ear peirced. got it done back on a college spring break but haven't worn it for about 4 years.

BTW to everyone with a tattoo, Have you ever forgotten you had your tattoo and seen it , and it caught you off guard or you had to take a second look?

 

[mypfizzle]

i have 3 tattoos.. on my left are im a wolf with a tribal moon.. right arm is the word everlasting in japanese. right about that is a band in the matrix font that also says everlasting.
Funny story.. one night when i was drinkin with my friend from the marines he almost talked me into getting a tattoo across my back that said "i will live, you will die" in japanese..
good thing i passed out before he could talk me into goin to the tattoo parlor. LoL

 

[Cameleon3]

I have a tattoo on my shoulder. Got it when I was 17 with 8 of my friends...we went all together...I love tazmanian Devil...so I got a tattoo of Dizzy (taz's son) with his tongue sticking out and a 2 by 4 in his hands...I love it.. )