So Boosting Our MSP's is not good..??

[Brian MP5T]

It'll make it (actually to about 22-23) up to about 5000 rpm's- both on the DSM and the MSP then fall off to about 15-16. Been there, done that with both. To respond to the next reply (below yours) yes, they blow hot air at 15 psi, however- they are still cramming more into the motor. I have known guys to go very quick (12's) with T25 DSM's without even running a line to their wastegate- just maxing out the turbo. Effecient, no. Makes a bit more power- possibly .
Joe

I'd like to only reply to the lower part of your post...

We agree that it is not efficient, but heatsoaking an IC like that will cause it to run out of cooling ability and you might actually loose HP right before you detonate or worse Blow.

Again I would like to ask that this not be turned into a Flamewar.

Thanks...Brian

 

[AutoBox]

by 15 psi? haha i highly doubt it.

I will second brian on keepin things civil here....coming from nissan sr20 motors that run stock t25..i can vouch that by 15psi a regular t25 is around its efficeny limit......sure u can turn it up more...but the gains are minimul compared to the sustained wear your causein the turbo....thats why you go to a larger turbo that can push more air...so its not spinning at hyper speed up wards of 125k rpm......u can look at the turbo charts provided by garret and other turbo manufacters....every turbo has an efficeny minimum and limit.....im no expert...i just learn from what i read and watch....and IMO....a t25 is worthless past 15psi...want more whp? pick up a modified t25 or t28...with larger wheels and housing so it can pump more air.....but our stock t25 are just not meant to be pumpin so fast.......as stated by brain already

 

[yashooa]

I do not want to start another flame war here so don't jump on this hard please. Hopefully we can squash some misinformation without pissing off the entire Mazda Board.
It's a mouse, not the HULK. It was designed for modest Boost and quick spool, it was not intended for 15 Psi. 15 Psi requires a totally different compressor like a T3/T4. (As you know )
You will have a hard time backing this up. I hope this was a joke or something.

Later...Brian

Live by the flame die by the flame (flame2)
Bryan, you don't suffer from a form of cognitive tourettes that causes you to type out nonsensical tirades about boost levels, and heat soak do you?
(braindead (screwy) (braindead)
Our Mouse is a Mighty, Mighty little Wonder Rodent.
God Bless you little GT25R God bless you indeed.(usa)

 

[AutoBox]

didnt we already put down that our cars have regular t25 turbos with BB center sections.....take that "g" sonny

t25 "r" <----- Mazda cool suffix for a damn BB center section

 

[Brian MP5T]

Live by the flame die by the flame (flame2)
Bryan, you don't suffer from a form of cognitive tourettes that causes you to type out nonsensical tirades about boost levels, and heat soak do you? (braindead (screwy) (braindead)
Our Mouse is a Mighty, Mighty little Wonder Rodent.
God Bless you little GT25R God blees you indeed.(usa)

As I thought, You really don't know. (laugh)

It's strong, but the boost levels you are talking about remind me of those T.V. Commercials with engines running with no oil in them. Painful and bound to fail shortly. (stoned)

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

I do not want to start another flame war here so don't jump on this hard please. Hopefully we can squash some misinformation without pissing off the entire Mazda Board.
As you know, Mazda designed your MSP with an IC for a modest 6 PSi. Turning up the boost makes the turbo have to spin faster. As the turbo approaches the surge limit, it looses efficiency and the air charge gets hotter, much hotter. Are you trying to tell me that you know for a fact that a little T-25 with a surge limit of 17 Psi won't heat up air like a ******* afterburner over 15 Psi? Never mind the stress that is being placed on the supporting Bering. I don't know what you know about this little T-25 that I don't. To make 17 Psi with the A/R ratio required for this 2.0L DOHC engine the turbine on paper has to spin at speeds close to 125,000 RPM.
It's a mouse, not the HULK. It was designed for modest Boost and quick spool, it was not intended for 15 Psi. 15 Psi requires a totally different compressor like a T3/T4. (As you know )
You will have a hard time backing this up. I hope this was a joke or something.

Later...Brian

YAH maybe the F!@#IN STOCK IC jackass!!! but i dont have the stock ic and 15 is nice, turned it up a notch and it spiked to like 21 and there was a big difference....and we dont have a regular dsm t25....
well no duh if you get a bigger wheel it will spin and make more power ....anyway IMO YOUR WRONG! the 15psi im pushing IS POWER.(nuts)

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

I will second brian on keepin things civil here....coming from nissan sr20 motors that run stock t25..i can vouch that by 15psi a regular t25 is around its efficeny limit......sure u can turn it up more...but the gains are minimul compared to the sustained wear your causein the turbo....thats why you go to a larger turbo that can push more air...so its not spinning at hyper speed up wards of 125k rpm......u can look at the turbo charts provided by garret and other turbo manufacters....every turbo has an efficeny minimum and limit.....im no expert...i just learn from what i read and watch....and IMO....a t25 is worthless past 15psi...want more whp? pick up a modified t25 or t28...with larger wheels and housing so it can pump more air.....but our stock t25 are just not meant to be pumpin so fast.......as stated by brain already

ANOTHER JACKASS!!

 

[yashooa]

didnt we already put down that our cars have regular t25 turbos with BB center sections.....take that "g" sonny

t25 "r" <----- Mazda cool suffix for a damn BB center section

You are a retard...
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=perEngineCallaway

It is a GT25R according to Mazda and Callaway.
But hey I'm sure one day they will invent a medication to help pop your head out of your ass.

 

[ThrillRide]

I like this one the most!

"The T25R turbo's ball bearing cartridge is much stronger and more durable than an ordinary journal bearing turbo. As long as the driver maintains his Proteg by changing his engine oil at regular intervals, the turbo will likely outlast the life of the engine.

 

[AutoBox]

call me a jackass when u have good proof a regular trim t25 (which we got....mazda just threw in a damn bb center section for kicks) andthen start ur gay ass flamin.....go email garret and flame then with ur immature s*** cus u sound like ur suxin ur dick while ur typin. if you stick a temp probe and get the readin of the air comin out of the turbo ull watch the temps sky rocket.....how the **** u gonna sit there and say im wrong when its from the ****** garret techs ******.....shut ur mouth before u look like a jackass....i already told you u can make power past 15psi...but ur turbo IS gonna go and u are pumpin hot ****** ass air....fmic or stock ic......i recorded massive heat increase when i was pushin 18psi thru a buddies sr20 and he had a ****** skyline fmic...probably twice the size of the s*** u have on ur msp.....go grab a physics book b**** before u flame ppl tryin to have a damn conversation.

 

[Brian MP5T]

YAH maybe the F!@#IN STOCK IC jackass!!! but i dont have the stock ic and 15 is nice, turned it up a notch and it spiked to like 21 and there was a big difference....and we dont have a regular dsm t25....
well no duh if you get a bigger wheel it will spin and make more power ....anyway IMO YOUR WRONG! the 15psi im pushing IS POWER.(nuts)

I will only say that you are acting you age. Your just a little Baby.

I would like to ask you if you were born like this or if you have had to practice or take pills.

I never thought that I was so powerful a person to get a rise out of someone over a little telephone wire. Can you imagine how much I could upset you if I was in the same room as you??

Welcome to the discussion... Your welcome to leave. (or grow up)

 

[ThrillRide]

...i just learn from what i read and watch....

what you read and watch are created by failable people such as yourself. be careful little eyes what you see...be carefeull little ears what you hear.

I'm no expert either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AutoBox]

You are a retard...
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=perEngineCallaway

It is a GT25R according to Mazda and Callaway.
But hey I'm sure one day they will invent a medication to help pop your head out of your ass.

lol your hilarious...read thrill's post and really look at the link u gave me...i counted at least 3 times it says "t25" there is no ****** gt25r turbo through garret.....its just a rebadged t25 with a ball bearin center section......

here is a crow bar...go pop ur head out of my ass

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

umm i thought we were tryin to keep profanity to a min...ooooh im telling.......it was sarcasm...but you over blew it buddy
so whats the difference between our turb and a dsm turb?

 

[yashooa]

call me a jackass when u have good proof a regular trim t25 (which we got....mazda just threw in a damn bb center section for kicks) andthen start ur gay ass flamin.....go email garret and flame then with ur immature s*** cus u sound like ur suxin ur dick while ur typin. if you stick a temp probe and get the readin of the air comin out of the turbo ull watch the temps sky rocket.....how the **** u gonna sit there and say im wrong when its from the ****** garret techs ******.....shut ur mouth before u look like a jackass....i already told you u can make power past 15psi...but ur turbo IS gonna go and u are pumpin hot ****** ass air....fmic or stock ic......i recorded massive heat increase when i was pushin 18psi thru a buddies sr20 and he had a ****** skyline fmic...probably twice the size of the s*** u have on ur msp.....go grab a physics book b**** before u flame ppl tryin to have a damn conversation.

And this has what to do with the name GT25R?
Hmm, maybe that magic physics book will teach you how to spell or is it written in Ebonics to?

 

[Brian MP5T]

I like this one the most!

"The T25R turbo's ball bearing cartridge is much stronger and more durable than an ordinary journal bearing turbo. As long as the driver maintains his Proteg by changing his engine oil at regular intervals, the turbo will likely outlast the life of the engine.

Yes, good maintenance is the key to turbo life. But more load will wear out that piece sooner. I'm not saying that you shouldnt do it... just don't expect it to last if you drive it harder.

(thumb)

 

[AutoBox]

lol....yeh i luv spendin my time dreamin up stuff to talk about on this damn forum....i just luv takin the time to type up facts that are told to me by scientists and engineers that created the s*** on your cars......


sure it was sarcasm discret.....before or after u got ur head out of my ass????

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

I will only say that you are acting you age. Your just a little Baby.

I would like to ask you if you were born like this or if you have had to practice or take pills.

I never thought that I was so powerful a person to get a rise out of someone over a little telephone wire. Can you imagine how much I could upset you if I was in the same room as you??

Welcome to the discussion... Your welcome to leave. (or grow up)

yea i guess old man...im 23 your 29 or 30...yea im just a baby...
nice one.

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

lol....yeh i luv spendin my time dreamin up stuff to talk about on this damn forum....i just luv takin the time to type up facts that are told to me by scientists and engineers that created the s*** on your cars......


sure it was sarcasm discret.....before or after u got ur head out of my ass????

your gay!
why are you comparing our turbo to the nissan ones or dsms?
if i remember theres arent bb. makes quite a difference.

 

[AutoBox]

show me exact text of mazda callin this turbo a gt25r?????
my whole post explained that this "gt25r" is basically a regular t25 trim turbo with a ball bearing section......mazda calls it a t25r everywhere on their site......its just their name....garret doesnt even have a gt25r in its product list.....