**********'s New Intake Manifold 101

[azian6er]

On the N/A car i am sorry but that was my car...and well as much as it pains me to say I have sold the car. I bought a 95 240sx that we are going to drop a sr20det into go standalown and get 300+ rwhp.The N/A numbers might take a little while but well see. Sorry Cullen and thanks for everthing you did with my Pr5. Without you god only know where that car would have ended. But gotta go with the rear wheel hp. When I'm up and running azian6er I would like to race the fastest mps. If I can beat you then I can beat anything. (fuoops)

gimme a ring "when" you get ur sr20det blah blah blah. ill race you no prob.

 

[azian6er]

happen to snap some pics yet ?

 

[GHOSTWHISPER]

You guys need a new site

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Join the club.

 

[TheMAN]

once I see the top shot photos of the intake manifold (looking from above as you would with it installed on the engine and in the car), I will know whether all the s*** talking from all the "haterz" will be justified or not.... just that pic will more than 50% help conclude whether the s*** is custom or a 626 intake just by judging on mounting bosses casted on the manifold....

common sense dictates:
vacuum solenoid location will be different, as such mounting bracket locations will be radically different from the VICS intake manifold as well... there should be only 1 vacuum solenoid actually used... which is for the FPR... if SU manifold is truely custom then there should be mounting bosses for the VICS and VTCS solenoids (that won't be plumbed into the vacuum system, it'll just be connected electrically) near the stock locations so that harness wires won't have to be extended

ALSO it is an uncommonly known fact that the 626 intake manifold only has 2 bolt holes for the fuel rail... the protege VICS intake manifold has 4 bolt holes (FS-ZE has 3)... they are also offset differently which means the fuel rails cannot be used with the "wrong" manifolds... you HAVE to use the fuel rail that's meant to go with the particular manifold

 

[ForceFed]

AV or not youre not being clear to the details of this manifold...

First you said you were sourcing them from Japan.
Then you said a company in CA came to you.

You flat out denied it was a 626 manifold; but now you admit it is based on the 626 manifold.

Why not just be honest up front?

I'm not being a "hater", just asking for the truth.

I am with Dex here...I don't really care if it IS a 626 mani...I just want to know the details on the piece you are selling.It does seem that your truths have changed as we have asked more questions.I dont doubt that this might be a mani from a 626...but I don't know.Hell...I just found out today that a DSM turbo mani will directly bolt up to my HONDA F22 motor...talk about something that doesnt make any sense.
I am here to bash no Vendor and I look forward to new parts for the Pro ,but ,not if a Vendor seems to be trying to pull the wool and throw some bull.

Cullen, I have access to a JDM manifold. If you like, as a fellow vendor, you can send me a demo of yours and I will compare them as a third party and provide unbiased proof that the piece is legit

This does not solve the problem...This is not a question of whether its a JDM mani or not, but rather whether its a 626 mani of some sort and year...No one has questioned whether it is USDM or JDM.The Fact that the Vacuum lines MUST be re-routed do tend to raise a few questions.

 

[TheMAN]

as I said (not clearly and you have to *think* after you read what I posted), you have to reroute the vacuum lines because the FPR solenoid will be relocated, forcing you to use a different length of hose to hook up the s*** to the intake manifold.... the boost sensor and purge solenoid hoses probably wouldn't cause length issues, if any they would be too long.... the VICS and VTCS s*** will obviously be not there, so no need to run any vacuum lines for that s***!

 

[azian6er]

so if this is true about the fuel rails, then "if" the SU mani is a renamed 626 std. mani from 200-2002, how will the fuel rails bolt down?

-B

once I see the top shot photos of the intake manifold (looking from above as you would with it installed on the engine and in the car), I will know whether all the s*** talking from all the "haterz" will be justified or not.... just that pic will more than 50% help conclude whether the s*** is custom or a 626 intake just by judging on mounting bosses casted on the manifold....

common sense dictates:
vacuum solenoid location will be different, as such mounting bracket locations will be radically different from the VICS intake manifold as well... there should be only 1 vacuum solenoid actually used... which is for the FPR... if SU manifold is truely custom then there should be mounting bosses for the VICS and VTCS solenoids (that won't be plumbed into the vacuum system, it'll just be connected electrically) near the stock locations so that harness wires won't have to be extended

ALSO it is an uncommonly known fact that the 626 intake manifold only has 2 bolt holes for the fuel rail... the protege VICS intake manifold has 4 bolt holes (FS-ZE has 3)... they are also offset differently which means the fuel rails cannot be used with the "wrong" manifolds... you HAVE to use the fuel rail that's meant to go with the particular manifold

 

[TheMAN]

zip ties?

 

[ForceFed]

zip ties?

OMFG!That would be the best....some good ole "Briar Bolts''!

 

[JDM Sam]

TheMAN always throwin down with his endless amounts of Mazda knowledge! He does know his s***. Once he was spouting off differences in the EDM, JDM and USDM Protege stuff to me at one meet. He is a walking Mazda encyclopedia! If anything send him the manifold and he will know if its a 626 one or not.

 

[snowblazin]

subbing

 

[Hughes412]

My personal thought on this isn't if it's a 626 mani or not, but more so if it's a 550+ mani or not!

From what I can tell by reading ALL this crap is that some people have tryed to use the 626 mani and failed. Now it seems that someone has found a way to use the 626 mani and actually get a gain out of it. THAT'S a good thing. The only thing that makes me a sceptic about it is if it's worth the price? Being a protege owner I don't have 500 to just through out on this. AND I DO WANT ONE! Why can't we get an AV that can make a part for us and not jack the price on it just because it's the only one? Do it for the poor guys LOL.

 

[Rawyzf]

Why can't we get an AV that can make a part for us and not jack the price on it just because it's the only one? Do it for the poor guys LOL.

R & D costs time & money too. Prices are just a bit higher too for our cars because at most the AV will only sell a handful of the products cause only so many MSP's were made. Now if you are a AV selling a Civic product, you can lower your price a bit because there are a million civics cruising around and more than a handful of people buying the products.

Not trying to start a fight or anything here, just want to get a point across as to why MSP products cost a little bit more.

 

[yashooa]

Personally I don't really care if it's the 626 manifold as long as it works, but that's just me.

This is so true. If you can make your own for less than more power to you...get it more power
However, what you are paying for would be the labor, expertise etc.
I lack such expertise and therefore I have to pay for others expertise.
Now if any of you young guns can lay the smack down and do it better and for less then compete with him.
I am not sure that this is a cost effective mod or not but if I had more money I would probally buy one. Eventually when this car is paid for I would like to add all the go fast goodies I can, at least the ones that make a difference. I will have a new forged motor and I am sure something like this would fit the bill nicely.

 

[Hughes412]

I understand that and I've thought about it. Your right for the most part, but with this mani inparticular the hard part is already done. They just modified it so the R&D for the most part was done. They did fine tone it though. I did a quick search and you can find them priced from 65-125. Add 200 for the maker and a 100 for the vendor and your only looking at 400 + shipping and thats if you get them at 100 + a peace. If you buy in bulk you get them cheaper. The way I see it is yea he'll sell a few at 500+ but not near as many as he would it it were 300-350. At 300 every body out here would buy it. Hell motor mounts almost cost that and look how many people have those.

 

[Rawyzf]

The way I see it is yea he'll sell a few at 500+ but not near as many as he would it it were 300-350. At 300 every body out here would buy it.

Good point there, I guess the AV just has to find the point where he can make the best profit.

 

[StreetUnit]

Installed pics. And there are no ZIP TIES used for the fuel rail.

The manifold comes with vac lines because the stock plastic ones prone to crack and are hard to manuever. The rerouting pertains to the FPR that is mounted to the firewall and the VIICS/VTCS sensors.

 

[Hughes412]

Hey wait a minute, I don't see any zip ties! Wheres the HP with no zip ties? LOL Is this going to work on a car with an MP3 ecu? I don't use the VTCS's and don't want to. Does this have the VTCS's, and if so can they be take out? Sorry if that has been asked already but I can't remember if it has been.

 

[gino]

Let's see where we are are here:

1. TheMan wanted a shot of the top of the manny to clarify a few questions. Do these pics do the job or not?

2. Cullen appears to have answered the numerous questions, from A-Z re: this piece.

3. Those of us running NA are still waiting for a before/after dyno sheet on a stock or lightly modded FS-DE with this IM.

4. Cullen: would a GB drop the cost appreciably?

My interest is as high as anyone else's, but I have to see NA dyno numbers before I spend the $$$.

 

[TurfBurn]

I understand that and I've thought about it. Your right for the most part, but with this mani inparticular the hard part is already done. They just modified it so the R&D for the most part was done. They did fine tone it though. I did a quick search and you can find them priced from 65-125. Add 200 for the maker and a 100 for the vendor and your only looking at 400 + shipping and thats if you get them at 100 + a peace. If you buy in bulk you get them cheaper. The way I see it is yea he'll sell a few at 500+ but not near as many as he would it it were 300-350. At 300 every body out here would buy it. Hell motor mounts almost cost that and look how many people have those.

Not that simple... if it is custom at all Cullen would be lucky if his cost on it was 200+... not to mention import fees etc bringing it from Japan.. not to mention shipping from japan to the importer and then importer to cullen. Then what you have to deal with as a vendor is trying to sort out your profits versus stock... if you are going to sell 15 in a year and you have 30 mani's in stock or so forth you have to deal with the taxes and overhead associtiated with that.. not to mention you need to try to figure in the cost of your time answering questions and dealing with threads like this as well as any fixed costs etc... so the fact is... Profit is not profit... profit is money to cover all the crap it takes to run a business... and then any of the change you find in the couch after that... that's profit... and there isn't a lot of it with people always going for lowest prices rather than service... and with vendors who break the rules as far as selling prices (AEM and the like have fixed MSRP's and "legal" sell prices.. and many vendors break that so they an make the sale... which then screws other vendors etc...)

So until you run a business don't assume what profit is or isn't there. How much do you think I make on an autometer gauge? Try about $1.50 or less (negative in some cases)... and that's not unusual on products.