RX8 Handling VS. MSP Handling

[evo..eater:)]

Do our speed's handle better than the RX8?

The reason that I ask this is because I was coming home from Beaumont yesterday and was playing with an RX8 around a long left hand bend. I brought my car up to 115 MPH and beat the RX8 by about 6 car lengths. I know he was trying because he gave me a big thumbs up when we got back on to a straight away. All I could say was HOLY s*** BALLS CAPTAIN (first) .

 

[SpeedMcheen]

you must've had the inside edge

 

[evo..eater:)]

you must've had the inside edge

I beat him in the outside sweep.

 

[yashooa]

Do our speed's handle better than the RX8.

The reason that I ask this is because I was coming home from Beaumont yesterday and was playing with an RX8 around a long left hand bend. I brought my car up to 115 MPH and beat the RX8 by about 6 car lengths. I know he was trying because he gave me a big thumbs up when we got back on to a straight away. All I could say was HOLY s*** BALLS CAPTAIN (first) .

Driver skill could have a lot to do with it or maybe he was happy just pulling some g's with another Mazda
Or maybe our little cars have Jolly Green Giant sized balls when it comes to handling. (drive)

 

[SpeedMcheen]

If I were him, I'd let you win to.

But if you really truly beat him then serious props man. I'm happier I bought an MSP now.

 

[evo..eater:)]

If I were him, I'd let you win to.

But if you really truly beat him then serious props man. I'm happier I bought an MSP now.

I don't know about you but if I were that RX8 I wouldn't let a little protege show me up. But that's just me.(uhm)

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I would go on a limb and say the MSP handles better....by a good bit. Look at their individual slalom speeds, lateral G's, switchback speeds. etc.... I think on the same road course with the same driver the MSP would be just as fast as the more powerul REX8 if not fastAr. The RX8 has very little middle and low end torque. That is what you'll use to pull you out of a turn. However the 8 is RWD which is a big advantage when checking lateral G's on a skid pad.

My money is still on the MSP. I've driven both and the MSP wins all the way!

 

[SpeedMcheen]

Driver skill could have a lot to do with it or maybe he was happy just pulling some g's with another Mazda
Or maybe our little cars have Jolly Green Giant sized balls when it comes to handling. (drive)

Turballs (moon)

 

[evo..eater:)]

I would go on a limb and say the MSP handles better....by a good bit. Look at their individual slalom speeds, lateral G's, switchback speeds. etc.... I think on the same road course with the same driver the MSP would be just as fast as the more powerul REX8 if not fastAr. The RX8 has very little middle and low end torque. That is what you'll use to pull you out of a turn. However the 8 is RWD which is a big advantage when checking lateral G's on a skid pad.

My money is still on the MSP. I've driven both and the MSP wins all the way!

Thank's a bunch I appreciate the information.(spin)

 

[Go Mifune]

RX-8 pulls the same g's on the 200ft skidpad as the msp, but is slower in the slalom. The RX-8 has more power than we do so I don't think he should have lost by 6 cars, but I don't think he should have spanked you by 6 cars either. I think handling wise the cars are fairly equal will come down to drivers,tires, and power to the wheels. IMHummbleO

However, not drivin the RX-8 I'd accept TM's advice

 

[evo..eater:)]

RX-8 pulls the same g's on the 200ft skidpad as the msp, but is slower in the slalom. The RX-8 has more power than we do so I don't think he should have lost by 6 cars, but I don't think he should have spanked you by 6 cars either. I think handling wise the cars are fairly equal will come down to drivers,tires, and power to the wheels. IMHummbleO

However, not drivin the RX-8 I'd accept TM's advice

Maybe he just got a little nervous, with those speeds.(uhm)

 

[DistantTea]

It really depends on how you want to look at it. Better handling on a sweeper? The RX8 is most likely the better car. Throttle steering on a sweeper in a RWD is the reason most race cars are RWD. A FWD car cannot throttle correct without letting up on power, making it slower. On a road course a well driven RX8 will usually beat a well driven MSP... to a point.

The MSPs real handling abilities come into favor during transitions. On an autocross course RX8s just can't keep up stock to stock. Once both cars go on r compounds the RX8 pulls ahead out of grace of grip of the larger RX8 tires.

In this case of street racing it was simply a matter of the RX8 driver not putting himself in danger. Yes that _car_ could have beaten you around that corner. I doubt the driver could or wanted to introduce dangerous and wilful oversteer to do it. Take the two to a parking lot and you'll feel like a motherfarking superhero against an RX8. The cars are just designed for different kinds of racing.

Now on the point of you running an MSP in a racing situation on open streets at 115MPH makes your actions both criminal and neglegent. Not only is that speed well out of the handling ranges of the stock suspension but you've long passed the speeds at which the car can protect you and others in an accident. At a hundred and fifteen miles per hour what could have been a minor accident on that road at 55 is now a guaranteed death in this car. Its not made for those speeds on regular roads. It will be a matter of when, not if, you have an accident with that kind of behavior.

 

[evo..eater:)]

Now on the point of you running an MSP in a racing situation on open streets at 115MPH makes your actions both criminal and neglegent. Not only is that speed well out of the handling ranges of the stock suspension but you've long passed the speeds at which the car can protect you and others in an accident. At a hundred and fifteen miles per hour what could have been a minor accident on that road at 55 is now a guaranteed death in this car. Its not made for those speeds on regular roads. It will be a matter of when, not if, you have an accident with that kind of behavior.

BLAH BLAH BLAH(jerkit)


This is the 26th time I have taken that corner at those speeds. I have already tested the limits of this corner due to the fact I have taken this road for the past 3 months. This corner is blacktop road which is a little more stickier than regular concrete roads. I was just asking about the handling and was a little excited that I actually beat an RX-8. Whether or not he got scared or not.

 

[DistantTea]

I'm glad you clarified your statement to let us know that you are hazzardous on a regular basis.

Your car isn't made for that kind of driving at those speeds and you will lose control eventually. It dosn't matter how many times you took that road, the fact is open streets change, age, and are subject to debrit. So between 115MPH turn 30 and 31 there is the possibility of any one of hundreds of daily activities that would cause that turn to become completely different. Maybe an old truck left some oil, maybe a semi left some gravel down... or maybe someone hit a skunk and its now at your apex. These things happen every day and drasticly change the nature of the road. To blindly assume that the corner will be the same tomorrow is short sighted and again, very dangerous thinking. You are putting yourself and others in risk with that kind of open street behavior.

Really want to push your car? Take it to a track. Tracks are kept up on an hourly basis by the surface crews. Debris, oils, gravel... all removed and if a dangerous spot exists they slow down the group and clean it up. Whatever thrill you get out of being a jack ass on public roads is not worth the danger so maybe listen up for once and realize it.

I don't know how many good people we lost here in dayton just because they decided to do the same thing on the same road as the week before and it resulted in someone's death. Take heed dammit.

 

[evo..eater:)]

Ok

OK..OK..OK..OK..OK

DAD.


I will take your advice I will take it today at 35 which is the normal speed of this corner. Just not as fun though.(sad1)

 

[SpeedMcheen]

Well said DistantTea, the wiser the nicer and smarter. Road racers are idiots, I know, I used to be one.

 

[SpeedMcheen]

Thank goodness I can say that ^

 

[nickbachman]

we all know those speeds are dangerous. if he wants to put himself in danger, that's his call. it's pretty useless giving him a verbal spanking, as i'm sure it wont change the way he'd drive. wouldnt affect the way i drive any.

 

[DistantTea]

35!!!! You were taking a marked 35mph corner at 115! I thought you were talking about one of those unmarked 55mph bends, not a city marked 35mph turn. Please for the love of all things that burn gasoline don't do that anymore. If I were being a sprited driver I might take a marked 35mph turn at 55mph in a 55mph speed zone. If I want more g's than that I autocross. And when I'm taking what, on a city road, would be a 5mph turn at 50mph and I lose it and spin all I hit are these little orange cones. I've spun out at speeds as low as 25mph autocrossing.

Crikey!

 

[SpeedMcheen]

we all know those speeds are dangerous. if he wants to put himself in danger, that's his call. it's pretty useless giving him a verbal spanking, as i'm sure it wont change the way he'd drive. wouldnt affect the way i drive any.

Maybe you're right, but hopefully not, maybe now he's smart enough he won't hit that slick spot tomorrow at 115 MPH around that bend he knows so well, or maybe you're right.