Official 2009 USDM Mazda6 thread

[Mazda3]

yeah and those people don't want a puny little 170hp engine trying to propel their 4000 lb car

The bottom line here is that those people can't afford what they want. If they want a new car it will have to be a 4cyl.

I want a new Corvette ZR1, but those dawm criminals at GM won't drop the price $30k so I can afford one.

 

[Mazda3]

By class I mean the 3's competition. The regular civic(not the Si), corolla, sentra, regular impreza.

The Impreza does have 170 HP, but it's slower than s***. The only car in it's class right now that is faster is the Corolla XRS, but the new 2.5L engine should give the 3 the edge there. The trans is going from 5 to 6 speed as well which should help performance a little.

 

[Koenig]

The bottom line here is that those people can't afford what they want. If they want a new car it will have to be a 4cyl.

I want a new Corvette ZR1, but those dawm criminals at GM won't drop the price $30k so I can afford one.

Considering the cost of materials spent on the ZR-1, the fact it's a limited production run (Like the Shelby GT500), and how it's a "collector's item"........ their price is accurate. (thumb)

There's nothing limited or collectible about a Mazda6... so that was kind of a bad analogy.

 

[Koenig]

a decorated turd is still a turd

btw your sig is a bit tall (over 300 pixels with text & all images)

Those cars are actually quite nice, have you ever driven one? It's not a turd by far.

And I apologize for the signature..... if I make the skyline any smaller you won't be able to read the scripture font.

 

[nate0123]

Those cars are actually quite nice, have you ever driven one? It's not a turd by far.

And I apologize for the signature..... if I make the skyline any smaller you won't be able to read the scripture font.

when I say turd, I'm referring to the appearance/design

it may drive fine

and the 300 pixel height is a rule, you need to reduce it

rethink the text or something

 

[Koenig]

when I say turd, I'm referring to the appearance/design

it may drive fine

and the 300 pixel height is a rule, you need to reduce it

rethink the text or something

Oh ok, I thought you mean a turd as in a turd car. not appearance.

Ok maybe I'll just drop it down in height and widen it like yours? ROFL, that would look messed up, I'm just gonna delete it.

 

[Mazda3]

Considering the cost of materials spent on the ZR-1, the fact it's a limited production run (Like the Shelby GT500), and how it's a "collector's item"........ their price is accurate. (thumb)

There's nothing limited or collectible about a Mazda6... so that was kind of a bad analogy.

I wasn't comparing the ZR1 to a Mazda 6, it was just an example of a car I want but can't afford. Same as someone wanting a V6 Mazda 6 or Accord, but can only afford a 4cyl. I can afford a $30k or $40k car so I had to pick an example a little higher in price.

 

[Koenig]

I wasn't comparing the ZR1 to a Mazda 6, it was just an example of a car I want but can't afford. Same as someone wanting a V6 Mazda 6 or Accord, but can only afford a 4cyl. I can afford a $30k or $40k car so I had to pick an example a little higher in price.

Now see I understood THAT better. When you said you want a ZR-1 but the greedy bastards at GM won't lower the price for you. LOL

It's supposed to be a limited edition, that's why I said that. and it's gonna be like 100K or more.

Now if you said a regular z06, which is like 70k, I could have understand that.

But yeah, you're right... I'm just saying........ inflation. Car prices have gone up. But then again even people who don't want a v6 still get that dinky 170hp propelling that heavy mazda6, and if they want more power in a mada6 it's gonna be like 10k more. Just kinda sucks. So I would only see 170 in being good for the Mazda3, since it's not that heavy. and the Mazda3 with the 2.3L was pretty quick for it's class.

Oh well, eitherway I'm not worried cause I'm buying neither one. But I am worried about that bad 2.5L being put in the new speed6 if it's not touching close to 350 horses

If that happens I'm going to say **** it and wait another year to finance a car like the Audi RS4.... s*** yeah

 

[TinmanMS6]

Oh well, eitherway I'm not worried cause I'm buying neither one. But I am worried about that bad 2.5L being put in the new speed6 if it's not touching close to 350 horses

What new Speed6? Isn't happening.

 

[tunersteve]

What new Speed6? Isn't happening.

Well...it's not officially dead yet. It's not officially alive either...

 

[TinmanMS6]

Well...it's not officially dead yet. It's not officially alive either...

They'd have to do something much different from the last time around, and still keep people happy as far as fuel economy. I don't think they have any interest in throwing money away on another one just to give the cars away for $6000 under sticker.

 

[tunersteve]

They'd have to do something much different from the last time around, and still keep people happy as far as fuel economy. I don't think they have any interest in throwing money away on another one just to give the cars away for $6000 under sticker.

Wait..you mean that buying a $30K sticker car for $20K is a bad thing? Damn. I thought I was just getting one hell of a deal.

Anyways, I think that Fusion GT might have some foresight into what the next MS6 might be. It's still too early to tell.

 

[Kymerik]

Wait..you mean that buying a $30K sticker car for $20K is a bad thing? Damn. I thought I was just getting one hell of a deal.

Anyways, I think that Fusion GT might have some foresight into what the next MS6 might be. It's still too early to tell.

Ford usually doesn't play nice when it comes to allowing intercompany competition. It's the same reason you wont see the Mazda2 in the US...Ford doesn't want the Fiesta's sales being "sucked dry" by an infinately superior microcar, the Mazda2

 

[Mazda3]

Now see I understood THAT better. When you said you want a ZR-1 but the greedy bastards at GM won't lower the price for you. LOL

It's supposed to be a limited edition, that's why I said that. and it's gonna be like 100K or more.

Now if you said a regular z06, which is like 70k, I could have understand that.

But yeah, you're right... I'm just saying........ inflation. Car prices have gone up. But then again even people who don't want a v6 still get that dinky 170hp propelling that heavy mazda6, and if they want more power in a mada6 it's gonna be like 10k more. Just kinda sucks. So I would only see 170 in being good for the Mazda3, since it's not that heavy. and the Mazda3 with the 2.3L was pretty quick for it's class.

Oh well, eitherway I'm not worried cause I'm buying neither one. But I am worried about that bad 2.5L being put in the new speed6 if it's not touching close to 350 horses

If that happens I'm going to say **** it and wait another year to finance a car like the Audi RS4.... s*** yeah

I think you are under estimating the 2.5L. My understanding from the people who have driven it, is that it's faster than the current 2.3L set-up. With the 6-spd manual it should be an enjoyable car to manouver around on a daily commute. For those of us who want 300 HP, we're not going to buy the 4cyl even if it had 190 HP. I expect the gas mileage estimates in Canada to be MUCH higher than the US ones I've seen so far. I think Mazda USA is being very conservative with their initial estimates. I think you will find the 4cyl getting better mileage then what there saying as this point. If they set the bar low there's no complaints down the road.

If there is a 2nd gen Mazdaspeed 6 for NA it will have a 3.7L DISI set-up and will have well over 300 HP. It's just a matter of "if" and "when" at this point. The technology is already completed and can be implemented at anytime, but I think they want to gage the success of the new 6 and 3 before they plan the next step.

As some of you know I need an automatic because of the wife, so for me its real simple. If the build a 350 HP AWD MSP6 with an auto of some kind I will buy it no questions asked. If they don't I will probably choose bewtween the 2010 Mazda 6 and the revamped 2010 CX-7.

 

[tunersteve]

Ford usually doesn't play nice when it comes to allowing intercompany competition. It's the same reason you wont see the Mazda2 in the US...Ford doesn't want the Fiesta's sales being "sucked dry" by an infinately superior microcar, the Mazda2

True, but you will more than likely see the 'sportier' (read: better performing) model to be a Mazda. Since Mazda is more of a niche brand than Ford, I would suspect we'll see something with a little more pep than that GT has.

 

[Mazda3]

True, but you will more than likely see the 'sportier' (read: better performing) model to be a Mazda. Since Mazda is more of a niche brand than Ford, I would suspect we'll see something with a little more pep than that GT has.

Yeah, Ford isn't going to be threatened by the handful of Mazdaspeeds that would be sold.

 

[Koenig]

What new Speed6? Isn't happening.

Why have they already built 2 models? ........Exactly. Unless you work for Mazda you're not exactly in a place to say it's not happening, they already designed the 2.5L turbocharged as well. I may not happen, but I believe it eventually will, I just wan TT v6...... but with the way gas prices are going THAT probably won't happen.

 

[Koenig]

I think you are under estimating the 2.5L. My understanding from the people who have driven it, is that it's faster than the current 2.3L set-up. With the 6-spd manual it should be an enjoyable car to manouver around on a daily commute. For those of us who want 300 HP, we're not going to buy the 4cyl even if it had 190 HP. I expect the gas mileage estimates in Canada to be MUCH higher than the US ones I've seen so far. I think Mazda USA is being very conservative with their initial estimates. I think you will find the 4cyl getting better mileage then what there saying as this point. If they set the bar low there's no complaints down the road.

If there is a 2nd gen Mazdaspeed 6 for NA it will have a 3.7L DISI set-up and will have well over 300 HP. It's just a matter of "if" and "when" at this point. The technology is already completed and can be implemented at anytime, but I think they want to gage the success of the new 6 and 3 before they plan the next step.

As some of you know I need an automatic because of the wife, so for me its real simple. If the build a 350 HP AWD MSP6 with an auto of some kind I will buy it no questions asked. If they don't I will probably choose bewtween the 2010 Mazda 6 and the revamped 2010 CX-7.

You're probably right, maybe I am underestimating it, thats why I said I'll just have to wait and see.

As far as the Speed6 goes..... they've already built 2 different design models, but they both feature the 2.5L in turbocharged format. I don't really see them doing the 3.7L simply because of gas prices....... but I would definitely love to see it.

A 3.7L DISI with twin snails (small ones) very similar to the BMW 335i/135i setups with their small twin snails.

But I get the feeling, like they did with the 2.3L instead of the 3.0L, that they are going to take the 2.5L and turbocharge that...... to get the best mileage they can.

To be honest after seeing what the cars would look like bring built, I'd probably buy it either way with either engine, though I will say I would prefer the 3.7L

oh, and the 2 models they built, both were automatic with the tiptronic, so you could get it and your wife could haul ass in it too (thumb) But they'd better offer a 6speed manual transmission for the enthusiasts like myself that prefer it.

 

[TinmanMS6]

Why have they already built 2 models? ........Exactly.

WTF are you talking about? 2 MS6s? No, they haven't. They're building one for Japan. Since our model is different and they didn't sell well here, people who do work for Mazda have said that they are not going to waste the resources building another for the US market. Why would they? It would be specific to this country, costing them a lot of money, where the previous model fell flat on its face from a sales standpoint.

 

[tunersteve]

Why have they already built 2 models? ........Exactly. Unless you work for Mazda you're not exactly in a place to say it's not happening, they already designed the 2.5L turbocharged as well. I may not happen, but I believe it eventually will, I just wan TT v6...... but with the way gas prices are going THAT probably won't happen.

Well building 2 models and 'showing' 2 models are entirely different. We really can't even use the JDM/EDM stuff as a basis, since the cars are much more different than the 1st gens are. Mazdaspeed in Japan isn't just a SE model with more power, they also have a full line of accessories, so they design cars with most of the parts on them to show them off. There's talk of showing one later this year with an actual boost in power, but it would utilize the 2.5, espeicially in Europe with their gas prices even higher.

As for the US-spec MS6, right now we have absolutely no credible evidence to go by. No spy-shots, renderings, etc. have been leaked out, and right now it's still too early to tell since the standard 6 hasn't been fully rolled out to dealers yet.

I'd personally like to see a TT V6 3.7L with close to 400 hp. I'd hope that it would have DI, AWD, and possibly a DSG/DCT paddle shifter option, only to help with sales. Mazda's sales have been steady this year, even with the gas prices slipping. If the new 6 comes out and sells better than the previous 6, the MS3 isn't in production, they'll probably come out with one as the 'halo-sedan' for the company. Since there really isn't another car with that type of status, it might work in their product mix. You could bring one in about $35K with the options we all want, and still price it out signifigantly below competitors of that class (S4, 335i/xi, etc) by $10K or more. Hell, even at $40K it wouldn't be outrageous. That might seem like a steep price, but compared to what it would line up against, its pocket change.