Official 2009 USDM Mazda6 thread

[tunersteve]

Well, I know it's not much, but I was running errands in the work truck today and pulled out right behind this:

It didn't appear to be a Touring or GT model, but it's another solid shot of the rear. Sorry for the camera phone quality.

 

[nate0123]

very Camry

 

[clicknext]

I wonder how similar the body is to the euro version. Specifically, could you swap bumpers, grilles, etc.

 

[tunersteve]

I wonder how similar the body is to the euro version. Specifically, could you swap bumpers, grilles, etc.

Different platforms, so the dimensions should be different. Hard to say until the numbers come out. Grilles and smaller parts might swap, but front/rear end I think will be unique and have to stay that way.

 

[Raynman]

Different platforms, so the dimensions should be different.

Nope, sorry. All next gen 6s share the same CD3-2 underpinnings.

 

[tunersteve]

Nope, sorry. All next gen 6s share the same CD3-2 underpinnings.

The euro/JDM is based on the Mondeo, but the USDM is based on the CD3-2 platform. That's what I was referring to.

 

[Raynman]

The euro/JDM is based on the Mondeo, but the USDM is based on the CD3-2 platform. That's what I was referring to.

Sorry. You were misinformed by "reporters" who reported very early in the 2nd gen 6 development that wrongly stated that it will have the EUCD platform.

ALL 6s (Euro, JDM, and NA DM) are based on the CD3-2. There is no such thing as an EUCD-based 6. Building a car from two platforms is exactly what Ford is desperately trying to get away from to achieve economies of scale - a harsh lesson that Mazda has learned and isn't keen to reproduce.

http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/FH/free/291523932388898.php

http://www.autoreview.ru/archive/2007/20/mazda6_2gen/

Note where Mazda revised the CD3 platform to accommodate the RX-8 steering. The front and rear suspension is to what you'd find under my car.

 

[coolmazda5]

Well, I know it's not much, but I was running errands in the work truck today and pulled out right behind this:

Hey, that color looks better than the marketing red one, it will grow on me in no-time

 

[Koenig]

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This made me VERY sad to read in that first link

".......but there would be no high performance MPS version of this new Mazda6. "I'm carefully watching the market reaction to that decision but I'm also considering the CO2 implications."

**** you Mazda.... I'm gonna start saving up for a Lexus IS-F. I was seriously hoping to hear about a twin turbo version of their new 3.7L v6.... that would compare with the 335/135 bmw.... and hell if they tuned it right, might even compare with the m3 (or at least the STI and the EVO X)

Good job mazda....

 

[tunersteve]

I find this very different from what I've heard coming out of Flat Rock. Why did the current model grow? The 1st gen was too small to effectively compete with the Camry, Accord, and Altima. Why was the JDM/Euro model introduced earlier? If it was truly a global platform, they should have came out at close to the same time, right? Why does the US not have a 5-door and a wagon variant this time around? If it was a global platform, these options would have been viable...no? Or why are we not getting a new MS6?

Right now I'm saying that we need the specs on the US one to compare it to the euro and then go from there. The J61 model is not a copy of the Euro one as much as you think.

Sorry. You were misinformed by "reporters" who reported very early in the 2nd gen 6 development that wrongly stated that it will have the EUCD platform.

ALL 6s (Euro, JDM, and NA DM) are based on the CD3-2. There is no such thing as an EUCD-based 6. Building a car from two platforms is exactly what Ford is desperately trying to get away from to achieve economies of scale - a harsh lesson that Mazda has learned and isn't keen to reproduce.

http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/FH/free/291523932388898.php

http://www.autoreview.ru/archive/2007/20/mazda6_2gen/

Note where Mazda revised the CD3 platform to accommodate the RX-8 steering. The front and rear suspension is to what you'd find under my car.

 

[MazdaMatt]

In none way Mazda6 (EU/JDM) shares platform with Mondeo...Raynman it's saying the truth.

In Japan current Mazda Atenza is available in 4wd versions. The ventilated disappear of the Mazdaspeed 6 (or Atenza mazdaspeed or Mazda6 MPS) it' s due for poor sales worldwide...but there are also rumors about turbocharghed 4wd versions of Atenza/6.

In my opinion US MAzda6 have a stretched platform (but the same of EU/JDM) and for this reason it's produced in a different factory...it's easier make a sligthly different car in a different factory.
I think also that a Hybrid version needs a different/modified platform.

 

[nate0123]

no MPS?

then what's up with this? http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080501.005/details-surface-for-the-new-mazda-6-mps--mazda-2-mps

 

[tunersteve]

The MPS that you see is probably just an accessory package, like the MS RX-8 is. In Japan, they do that with every car, unlike here in the states.

no MPS?

then what's up with this? http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080501.005/details-surface-for-the-new-mazda-6-mps--mazda-2-mps

 

[nate0123]

The MPS that you see is probably just an accessory package, like the MS RX-8 is. In Japan, they do that with every car, unlike here in the states.

that's not what the article says...

Mazda is getting ready to launch its fire-breathing Mazda6 MPS in its second generation. Previously a turbocharged 191kW (256 bhp), 380Nm machine, Mazda will up the figures yet on this hot version of their saloon. Instead of the 2.3-litre giving out 191kW, a new 2.5-litre turbo will spew out a more convincing 209kW (280+) bhp. Those horses will be directed through to all wheels, like the previous generation model, driven by a 6-speed gearbox. Mazda has also been experimenting with double-clutch technology, so perhaps this will debut on 6 MPS. The 0 – 100km/h time should be dispatched in some 6 seconds, with a top speed of 250km/h.

It is said Mazda will unveil the car’s concept alias at this year’s Paris Motor Show later in October 2008, with the production version slated for 2010. Several other versions should also get MPS treatment, including estate, coupe and cabriolet.

 

[tunersteve]

that's not what the article says...

I spoke with a friend at C&D, that's just a photoshop of what they think it might look like. Don't expect a new MS6 in the US, that's what I've been hearing.

 

[Koenig]

Wow so I was right..... and here I thought that guy I met at a dealer was just talking out of his ass..... That doesn't look like the FIRST prototype I saw online though, I wanted it to look like that.

and I don't want that bad 2.5L engine, they're gonna stick the same thing in the new 2010 speed3 and it's going to be just as fast, I want it to be FASTER

I was really hoping they'd go the TT v6 route to compete with the Beamer.

no MPS?

then what's up with this? http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080501.005/details-surface-for-the-new-mazda-6-mps--mazda-2-mps

 

[Koenig]

Wow so I was right..... and here I thought that guy I met at a dealer was just talking out of his ass..... That doesn't look like the FIRST prototype I saw online though, I wanted it to look like that.

and I don't want that bad 2.5L engine, they're gonna stick the same thing in the new 2010 speed3 and it's going to be just as fast, I want it to be FASTER

I was really hoping they'd go the TT v6 route to compete with the Beamer.

If you look at the front bumper it has the M'z Tune front bumper valanche things.....

 

[Raynman]

The J61 model is not a copy of the Euro one as much as you think.

My comments were really from a platform standpoint, but regardless...

Probably not 100%, but I'd wager that the US platform has closer bloodlines to the Euro/JDM platform as supposed to EUCD.

Just food for thought: There are ways to get more room and outside dimensions out of the same platform. Case in point: The first gen Audi TT shares the same platform as the VW Golf and Skoda Octavia, yet the Octavia has gobs more room. Platforms have an impact on overall interior/outside dimensions, but it's far from the deciding factor from a dimensional perspective.

In my opinion US Mazda6 have a stretched platform (but the same of EU/JDM)...

+1. I have yet to see that scenario discounted.

No MPS?

At this point, I've seen and heard so many false rumors about the 6 that I can't help but be cynical with every report - most especially when it comes to MPS/Mazdaspeed versions.

The MPS that you see is probably just an accessory package, like the MS RX-8 is. In Japan, they do that with every car, unlike here in the states.

Bingo! Thank you! You don't know how often I have to explain this to people.

To us here in states, Mazdaspeed is an upgrade trim with new more powerful engine goodies. In the JDM market, Mazdaspeed is an aftermarket company that sells everything from shift knobs, interior stuff, wheels, body kits, intake, etc.

Therefore, it's possible to have Mazdaspeed versions to be launched before we in the US expect our Mazdaspeed version.

For example, behold the 2004 Mazdaspeed Atenza A-spec:

 

[tunersteve]

So it sounds like you and I were trying to say the same thing, but from different points of view. I guess what I was trying to say is that the US 6 is somewhat larger than the Euro 6, but where and what has changed is still TBD. We don't have too much official info on the new 6 for the US, so until all the specs are out, it'll be hard to quantify the details. It may be a modified platform that they share, I meant that the US version will be larger and have a few differences than our Euro counterparts.

And I'd love for someday to have Mazdaspeed be as big as it is overseas. I think it's really cool having that much support for their vehicles and really giving their owners the ability to customize all different aspects of their vehicles.

My comments were really from a platform standpoint, but regardless...

Probably not 100%, but I'd wager that the US platform has closer bloodlines to the Euro/JDM platform as supposed to EUCD.

Just food for thought: There are ways to get more room and outside dimensions out of the same platform. Case in point: The first gen Audi TT shares the same platform as the VW Golf and Skoda Octavia, yet the Octavia has gobs more room. Platforms have an impact on overall interior/outside dimensions, but it's far from the deciding factor from a dimensional perspective.



+1. I have yet to see that scenario discounted.




At this point, I've seen and heard so many false rumors about the 6 that I can't help but be cynical with every report - most especially when it comes to MPS/Mazdaspeed versions.




Bingo! Thank you! You don't know how often I have to explain this to people.

To us here in states, Mazdaspeed is an upgrade trim with new more powerful engine goodies. In the JDM market, Mazdaspeed is an aftermarket company that sells everything from shift knobs, interior stuff, wheels, body kits, intake, etc.

Therefore, it's possible to have Mazdaspeed versions to be launched before we in the US expect our Mazdaspeed version.

For example, behold the 2004 Mazdaspeed Atenza A-spec:

 

[Koenig]

you know what's funny?

they included the hood hump.... in the photoshopping, like the tmic is there... if they DO make a new one for us in the states.... I hope it's a FMIC.

oh and that i doubt is an appearance package only, since the article is stating about power and AWD etc.

But I can definitely tell those front fender flare/valanches are that of the M'z Tune ms6 overseas. and I really wish we could buy them here in the states