new tuning option?

[fasteract]

Certainly didn't mean to disparage Cobb..have a couple of their suspension products in addition to their intake...the AP just didn't float my boat.

What's Hypertech's stand on sparkplugs with this tune...stock or 1 step colder and a bit smaller gap ? Would think the smallish boost increase of 2, maybe 3 psi wouldn't necessitate a plug needing to dissipate more heat unless you keep the engine in the 5,500 rpm range, full boost mode for abusively long periods.

 

[meicalnissyen]

It is obvious you are highly interested in our tuning changes as you have already purchased, tested, and attempted some reverse engineering to discover what we are or are not changing with our tunes.

I mean no disrespect, but the questions you are asking would reqire me to divulge proprietary information about our tuning processes and results, which I simply won't do. So please don't be offended if I don't directly answer some of your questions.

wow

Yeah, thats what we do here at 24/7, reverse engineer and remarket. Why, did you know that evil monkey and Kain have cleared 3.2 mil last year alone selling knock off red line shift boots in china ??

amazing

 

[fasteract]

IMHO, Chris@Hypertech has divulged a few more specifics than I usually get from aftermarket program tuners/reflashers, certainly more than Cobb was able to tell me about their plug-in tunes initially. So far as I see a company that produced a product, from beta to retail in quick time, fair price, and, so far, performing well without the gliches seen in their competitors ( no CEL's, no "calibration not found" messages, et. al) which seemed fairly common on those other launch products has performed better than prior products where delivery dates kept getting postponed and data like dynographs were slow to show up and kept changing numbers.

Not trying to kiss a** but hopefully our small MS3 community won't start pissing too much on a supplier too vigorously like some did to Cobb with their AP when it first came out producing the famous Cobb melt down and threatened withdrawal from MS3 tuning.

I too thought Chris's reply seemed a bit paranoid but he knows more about the beta tester.

Chris's reply was couched with enough terms like "no disrespect intended..don't be offended" that the one person it was addressed to shouldn't be too upset. I doubt he meant to imply our Forum as a whole is industrial espionage bent -) !

 

[GoFast]

Before considering purchasing this product be sure to read through this thread:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123765213

Read very carefully and then make your decision based on what you read.

 

[MSMS3]

#3, no, its a simple rewrite.

and for fasteract, yes I have a 2007 Mazdaspeed3 and it is daily driven by me.

For you and Chris: I have one simple question the answer to which will help a lot of us. Why not hook up a Dash Hawk to your MS3, data log and post the results here?

After all, as soon as you sell one of these to some member here that regularly used this forum and is serious about these type of products, that's exactly what we'll be doing, just as we have with the other ECU modification products, whether flash devices or piggy back.

So, could you please just hook up a DH, monitor the values we think are important to make us comfortable under varying engine rpm and load conditions and let us see for ourselves whether this programmer is going to be a good choice for us?

Please do not tell us that DH read data logs are "proprietary." That's not like posting your tuning maps. Verified DH logs, especially showing boost and AFR's with LTFT data, please, and thank you.

That should either ramp us sales or lead to some very constructive feedback on adjustments that might improve the product.

 

[jmac36]

MSM3, I think you ran him off!(five-0)

 

[MSMS3]

LOL! But I'm serious. Showing my age by saying this but I'm like the detective Joe Friday in the old Dragnet TV series I watches as a kid: "Just the facts, ma'm or sir. Just the facts."

I hope we do get to see those logs. We'll be seeing them one way or the other, anyway. They might just have a very good general 90% there tuning solution that might be better than Cobb's off the shelf tunes, or at least competitive with them.

Maybe this is the reason that Cobb just reduced their price?

Hey, competition is a good thing.

 

[AequitasVeritas]

For you and Chris: I have one simple question the answer to which will help a lot of us. Why not hook up a Dash Hawk to your MS3, data log and post the results here?

After all, as soon as you sell one of these to some member here that regularly used this forum and is serious about these type of products, that's exactly what we'll be doing, just as we have with the other ECU modification products, whether flash devices or piggy back.

So, could you please just hook up a DH, monitor the values we think are important to make us comfortable under varying engine rpm and load conditions and let us see for ourselves whether this programmer is going to be a good choice for us?

Please do not tell us that DH read data logs are "proprietary." That's not like posting your tuning maps. Verified DH logs, especially showing boost and AFR's with LTFT data, please, and thank you.

That should either ramp us sales or lead to some very constructive feedback on adjustments that might improve the product.

I am looking into getting a dashhawk to do this. I am broke at the moment from buying an M4 lol.

 

[AequitasVeritas]

I will have a Dash Hawk on Monday.

 

[ridenfish39]

Damn, I just checked out their site and no programmer for the 2010. Hopefully someone makes a tuner for it soon

 

[AequitasVeritas]

If you go on to Hypertechs web site, you can request that they work on it

 

[MSMS3]

I will have a Dash Hawk on Monday.

Thanks for stepping up. I look forward to seeing the results.

 

[charlessss]

Somewhat interested in this product... but want to have a downpipe in my set up.. debating.. cobb.. I am too indecisive.

 

[AequitasVeritas]

Dash Hawk came in today.

 

[AequitasVeritas]

ok, finally got the dash hawk set up. Will have a dataload by the end of the day.

 

[AequitasVeritas]

 

[AequitasVeritas]

well, don't expect more logs for a while. Car is more than likely totalled....

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

Mazdaspeed Tuning Info Part 1

The following is some specific information about our tuning, with attached graphs. This should help answer some of the questions presented on this thread. The graphs have some additional explanation about the data presented.

We don't usually have requests for detailed information about our tunes. Typically, this is not something we publicize, but due to the level of questions I was getting about our tuning, I felt like it was appropriate to share this info with everyone.

Here goes!

How much boost are we running? - 1_HowMuchBoost.jpg
On a stock car, we measured a peak of about 17.5psi with the Hypertech tune, while the stock tune peaks at about 14.5psi. This was measured in 4th gear on our AWD Superflow dyno.

What are the intake air temps at this boost? - 2_IAT_Temps.jpg
During the same dyno pulls, we measured a peak-to-peak increase of about +24F pre-intercooler, and about +19F peak-to-peak after the intercooler. These temperatures were measured with a fine gauge thermocouple that reacts much faster than a typical intake air temp sensor, so dont be surprised if these numbers are slightly different than what you measure with a datalogger. Our readings should be worse, if anything, during a similar test. This JPG does have an inset picture of the sensor we use, but it is still hard to tell that the sensor consists of two hair sized wires.

How hot are the EGTs with the tune? - 3_EGTs.jpg
During the same dyno pulls, we measured an increase of about +34F, peak-to-peak over stock. This doesnt sound like much, but the EGTs are right at 1500F which is pretty hot when wide open. The factory tune didnt leave much room for us to make a tune that wouldnt cause problems in the long run. The power gains we got with only a +34F increase is really nice.

One thing to note is that we probably use a slightly different temperature sensor than most people are used to. We use a small wire, exposed junction thermocouple for our dyno tuning. These are much more responsive than a typical thermocouple sold with aftermarket gauges because the mass is much less (heats up quicker). This allows us to see quick changes in EGTs and have better insight as to what our tunes are doing during development. The downside to a fast probe like this is that they are fragile. If you have an aftermarket gauge your numbers may not match ours exactly due to the differences in probes and equipment.

How about more boost? - 4_More_Boost.jpg
The boost curve the Hypertech tune was developed through extensive testing, and during some of that testing we tested a tune that maintained the boost pressure all the way to redline rather than dropping off in the higher RPMs. The overboost tune pushes boost up another 2psi and the result is about +50F and only +9HP. The final Hypertech tune increases boost 4psi over stock at the same point and only bumps EGTs +35F and makes +59HP. That additional 2psi just isnt worth it. Theres a lot of info on this JPG explaining what we measured.

 

[Chris@Hypertech]

Mazdaspeed Tuning Info Part 2

More info...

New Feature Coming Soon (Air Intakes) Why? - 5_CAI_Tuning.jpg
We have developed tunes for several aftermarket air intakes, and are currently adding those to the Sport. These will show up as a new feature. The new feature will ask if you have an aftermarket air intake installed, and then show you a list to choose from. This feature will be a free update for anyone who already has a Sport. It should be available by Wednesday or so next week. Ill keep you guys posted on that.

If you install an aftermarket air intake on the car, the changes to the intake tract can cause errors in the ECU calculations for the quantity of air entering the engine. The ECU uses this calculation to control many aspects of the engine, so a small error here can compound itself quickly. With no changes to the tune to account for these errors the EGTs will get hotter, boost will go too high, and AFR will lean out. By correcting these errors, the ECU will properly control the engine. The JPG goes into much more detail.

How do cold air intakes help? - 6_CAI_help.jpg
Obviously cold air intakes are popular mods because they make good power, but have you ever wondered why? We did. So, while we were testing we measured the pressure in the intake tract before the turbo with the stock intake and an aftermarket intake to see what happens. It turns out that an aftermarket air intake can reduce the inlet restriction by 5%, and because thats a direct restriction to the turbo, the output boost jumps up by that same 5%. And with more air comes more power. The Hypertech tune provides that same 5% increase in power youd expect when an air intake is added on. The tune is absolutely set to respond to additional mods.

What about exhaust? - 7_Exhaust_help.jpg
Exhaust systems are also very popular mods for these cars, and after testing our tuning with aftermarket exhaust systems on the dyno we can see why they make such an improvement in power. We measured the back pressure in the exhaust system after the catalyst during our dyno pulls and saw that an aftermarket exhaust system dramatically reduces the back pressure. Testing with an aftermarket air intake with our Hypertech tuning, we saw exhaust back pressure drop from just over 6 psi with the stock exhaust to 5psi with the aftermarket exhaust. This is roughly a 15% drop in back pressure, which resulted in additional +12HP to the ground. The additional fresh air getting into the engine was accounted for by the mass air calculations and the tuning was automatically adjusted to maintain the proper controls with the additional power. We did spend the time to adjust the tuning to see if more could be gained, but in the end, the tune is still optimized the best it can be. The additional modifications are already accounted for, so there is no need for an additional feature to adjust the tuning to account for an aftermarket exhaust system. You can see this is the case by the power gains measured at all points in the curve when the aftermarket exhaust is installed when compared to the same tune with the factory exhaust system.

 

[meicalnissyen]

Thank You Chris, I suspect this objective data will be well recieved.

I have a couple questions.

after instalation, the sport saves the original mazda tune. Can this tune be backed up via usb, for safekeeping?

what is the timeframe for reflashing to the mazda tune, so that the vehicle can be brought in for warranty work?

(and not to be rude, but implying you can take a speed3 into a dealer with a tune laid into the ECU and get MNA to honor the warranty was stunningly naive)