N/A Discussion

[1sty]

Well here is my goal:
To hit 200 WHP with N/A.

Its my goal whether it be reasonable, logical, or possible.


And has anyone thought about sending their ECU off to JETCHIPS???? THey can reprogram ECUs to the mods that you have done to your car, and my friend sent one off for is non-vtec Teg and got it back within the week. And he paid only 200 bucks. I used to hear of them back when I owned my 67 firebird, but I didnt think much of it as I never really had an ecu.. hehe. But now, I'm starting to wonder if its better than waiting for all the piggybacks and crap.

Last I talked to them JET, they could at best get another 3 whp out fo the protege.

To get to 200 who which is doubling the whp of the car stock you are looking at ATLEAST the numbers Darin mentioned.

Exhuast, intake, cams, pistons, header, ECU is only going to make it part way. Then youi need prot and polish and a slew of other things. At that poitnt he car will be more likely to knock then a turbo car and you will have to buy more monitoring devices not to mention the car would be all but impossible to drive on the street in any enjoyable fashion.

 

[Familia323]

FLT Black: That thing is crazy! I like it.



1st: I'm not really looking at Jet so much to create HP, but more or less make the car run better with all that crap I'll have to do. And Who knows, I might even just give up somewhere along the lines and put nitrous on my car.. even though Ive made fun of nitrous users since it became such a fashion statement. But I dont know, we'll see what happens. Right now, I dont want to fork out the dough for a turbo, because if I went turbo I'd want to do it right... So I would get forged internals and something like Perfs stage II kit... which would be well over 5500 dollars.... Believe me, I know that in the long run a turbo would be cheaper and more effective. The problem is for a turbo you have to throw out almost 4 grand up front. I think that is where most people get hung up. If you are like me you cant wait until you get 4 grand to do something to your car. So you just get anxious and start buying what you can..

 

[tonkabui]

all i want is 140whp. is that too much to ask?

a member here went with i/h/e and cams and was pushing 130whp, so i'm hoping to get the same with those. then what next?

 

[1sty]

The turbo option is a less expensive one if you can remain conservative. Again at 6 PSI and only an ear for knock you can have the FP system or SPoolin system for under $4K and the only thing you NEED is a clutch in 6 months when the factory one starts to slip. It took me 6 months at 8 PSI for the clutch to slip and when removed it was in perfect condition, so its not like your damaginf it.

 

[Familia323]

wait... so the MSP has about 140 whp right? and they do high 14s right? So if we got around 170-180whp we could do low 14s high 13s(maybe)? that would be hella cool by me. so I think that if I could get to low 14s without a turbo that would be pretty bad ass(in a protege)..

 

[1sty]

wait... so the MSP has about 140 whp right? and they do high 14s right? So if we got around 170-180whp we could do low 14s high 13s(maybe)? that would be hella cool by me. so I think that if I could get to low 14s without a turbo that would be pretty bad ass(in a protege)..

Not comparible.

The MSP's quik spooling turbo gives it a big bump in juice all the way back to 2500 RPM. The NA route will yeild mostly top end power and not much toque, atleast no where neer the leve of the MSP with matched whp. Also I thought the MSP was hitting 150 at the wheels. One more, I don't know anyonthat ahs posted a slip of breaking into the 14's without upping the boost menaing they were running more power.

 

[Familia323]

Not comparible.

The MSP's quik spooling turbo gives it a big bump in juice all the way back to 2500 RPM. The NA route will yeild mostly top end power and not much toque, atleast no where neer the leve of the MSP with matched whp. Also I thought the MSP was hitting 150 at the wheels. One more, I don't know anyonthat ahs posted a slip of breaking into the 14's without upping the boost menaing they were running more power.

Hmmm.... damnit this is frustrating...

 

[1sty]

NOt saying its impossible and I can be wrong as anyone can. Hell I'd like to see it but I know CHDesings gave up and was only 1/2 way there. He knows his s*** and he was getting to frustrated with it.
He now has an 89 mirage that runsin the 12's, no its not N/A

 

[DooMer_MP3]

I'm willing to bet with Intake, Header, Exhaust, *custom* cams (not the pointless J-Spec/Mazdaspeed ones) and proper tuning you could get 140whp out of the engine easily. Throw in HC pistons, better intake manifold, Port & Polish, I'm willing to bit 150whp+.

Parts cost:
Intake: ~$150
Header: $350-$480
Exhaust: $450
Custom Cams: $350
Piggyback: $600
HC Pistons: $300
Intake Manifold: $300
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$2550-$2680

Port & Polish: ???

Labor of course would be pricey for the Port & Polish and HC pistons. But I'm sure if you could remove the engine for that it would be decent.

The rest should be relatively easy bolt-on mods. AND you can do it piece by piece.

Chris

 

[Darin]

If you want a fast 'car', sell the P5, or otherwise buy a Mustang/Camaro/Talon/etc.

It's MUCH more cost-effective.

If you want a fast P5, be prepared to spend $10,000 and more, for reliable power.

 

[tonkabui]

hmm... so with i/h/e, how much power will i be getting? anyone with dyno #'s with just these mods? razor? hello? 1fastmp5? anyone?

 

[Blown]

The biggest thing I don't understand is what kind of racing do you guys/girls plan on doing? Drag or Auto-Xing? Sure, having vasts amount of power is great but where do you want the power-band(low, mid or screaming?).

I definitly think that the N/A route is the way to go. So far, I dyno'd my car with I/E/ground-wires and I came out with 116whp. Not bad for the mods I've done! Now, the way I figure it, 130whp is easily attainable and for a lot cheaper than a turbo kit and it wouldn't require 91octane gas.

 

[1sty]

Again a turbo will yeild twice that number on 91 octane aswell. For a similar cost mind you.

 

[Blown]

The way I figure it:

Intake/Exhaust/Ground wires = 116whp
Dropping 1 cat and adding a header~10whp
Sparkplugs/wires ~3whp
JDM cams - 5whp

All in all, about 134whp. Considering my car baselined at 100whp(130bhp), 134whp would equate to just over 170bhp.

 

[1sty]

I would down grade those estimate, Dropping both cats and header maybe 7 whp. The spark plugs maybe 1 whp. Cams, only one is JDM by the way, your about right but others feel its less.

NOw for the cost of doing all that you could easily have a turbo to pump out 160 whp. Or a little less if you like to be even safer.

 

[Blown]

116whp has already been proven for I/E/groundwires.

10+whp has been found with the AWR header.

Sparkplug(iridium)/sparkplug wires should be about 3hp, I've plugs alone dyno'ing a 3hp gain. Hell, even full synthetic oil will give you 2-3whp in the upper end.

So far, my cost estimate for all parts I listed is about $1100US. I don't know any turbo kits that cost $1100.

 

[1FASTMP5]

well so far i have : mp3 ecu,j-spec int,mazdaspeed ext cam,rm headers,hks axle back, cai, groundin kit, plugs.
i dont have money to dyno.. but i will say im for sure getting 130 to the wheels if not more.
call b.s all you want but ive ran my car at the track and gotten decent times concidering the track conitions.

 

[1FASTMP5]

everything i listed cost me a total of :$1,115
not to bad for 30 or so whp.

 

[Blown]

1FastMP5 - I'm not calling BS at all on you but it definitly sounds right! I'm just lucky that I have friends who own a Dynapack. They charge me $80/hr for dynoing and $125/hr for dyno'ing with a wideband O2. Mind you, that's Canadian, not US dollars.

 

[1FASTMP5]

1FastMP5 - I'm not calling BS at all on you but it definitly sounds right! I'm just lucky that I have friends who own a Dynapack. They charge me $80/hr for dynoing and $125/hr for dyno'ing with a wideband O2. Mind you, that's Canadian, not US dollars.

thanks, but i know someone will, and it will be someone without these mods. i totaly agree with your satement above on gains w/header,cams,plugs,ect. i think your right on with your guess.
i know there is another member with a silver p5 out of texes i forgot his name(sorry) with cai,awr header,hks, and dynoed @133whp. thats without cams and the advanced timing i have of the mp3 ecu. so there shoul'nt be any problems with dynoing in that ball park. btw your #'s are very impressive.