MSP Vs MSM

[LaserBlueMSP]

Well i dont know what the stats on the msm are but i think it will prolly tear the msp up!!! im not a big miata fan, but like it has been stated, its is lighter, and i doubt the mazdaspeed division is gonna move back in progress at all. and for the best part.... its ****** RWD!!!!!!!!! that makes it all worth it the msp is my first FWD and thats the only thing i hate about it...
Kris

 

[KpaBap]

MSP (fight) MSM
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0-60 = 6.8 \ *6.2

1/4 mile = 15.1@92.5 \ *14.5@93.8

60-0 = *115 ft. \ 118 ft.

600 ft/slalom = *69.3 m.p.h. \ 67.7 m.p.h.

200 ft. skid = *.90 g's \ .86 g's

One would think that those stats appear to be ass backwards! (boom06) But, the MSM wins hands down in acceleration. (pow) And our MSP's outhandle the MAD MIATA by a significant amount! (wedge)

That's funny because Road and Track and Car and Driver tested the 1999 Miata (which I own) Road and Track got 0.83g and C&D got 0.89g on the skidpad, Motor Trend (where you derived your stats from), had the '99 listed at 0.92g, interestingly, Motor Trend also had a 2000 model (equivalent to the '99) listed at 0.91g. Motor Trend also had a 2001 LS listed at 0.88g,

These stats are all over the place and somehow the cars with better chassis/suspensions keep getting lower scores. from Motor Trend.

Furthermore , the MSM got 0.90g on the skidpad from Car and Driver, modernracer.com has it listed as 0.90g but Motor Trend somehow got 0.86g,

What all this means is that your stats are pretty useless since your source can't seem to come up with credible numbers (a base '99 gets more lateral grip than the MSM?).

Also let's not forget what car held the Sport Compact Car lateral acceleration record for a long time. It was a Miata capable of pulling 1.19g which was later beaten by an FD that pulled 1.26g.

Make no mistake, the Miata is built for one thing and one thing only. As much handling as you can handle.

Where are the Proteges in the >1g club?

 

[KpaBap]

MSP vs 2002 Miata LS

0-60 = 6.8 \ 7.8

1/4 mile = 15.1@92.5 \ 15.8@87.7

60-0 = 135 ft. \ 125 ft.

600 ft/slalom = 69.3 m.p.h. \ 69.7 m.p.h.

200 ft. skid = 0.90 g's \ .93 g's

One would think that those stats appear to be ass backwards! But, the MSP wins hands down in acceleration. And our regular Miatas outhandle the MAD PROTEGE by a significant amount!

 

[travisto]

MSP vs 2002 Miata LS

0-60 = 6.8 \ 7.8

1/4 mile = 15.1@92.5 \ 15.8@87.7

60-0 = 135 ft. \ 125 ft.

600 ft/slalom = 69.3 m.p.h. \ 69.7 m.p.h.

200 ft. skid = 0.90 g's \ .93 g's

One would think that those stats appear to be ass backwards! But, the MSP wins hands down in acceleration. And our regular Miatas outhandle the MAD PROTEGE by a significant amount!

Where ever did you get the handling #'s for the ES, Your head obviously! Put down the Meth pipe and wake up! I am The MASTER of #'s there is NO WAY IN HELL an ES pulled .93 G's on the 600 ft. skid pad! You're saying you're ES will out handle a MSP.... Don't make me fucki8ng laugh! The MSM cannot outhandle our MSP's....nonetheless an ES! (dunno)

 

[KpaBap]

I pulled these numbers off of google just like you did, asshat, to further illustrate my point that between 4 different sources, there were 4 different numbers, and therefore one can make stats appear any way one wants just by going to a different source. The disparities in these numbers also prove their credibility (or lack thereof).

I suggest you go back to grade school and learn yourself some reading because nowhere have I mentioned an ES.

The MSM cannot outhandle your MSPs? How much are you willing to bet on that? How far is your head stuck up your ass that you can't understand that these numbers mean next to nothing? How stupid do you have to be to not understand sarcasm? Have you ever driven a MSM to its limit and then went back and driven the MSP on the exact identical patch of pavement with the exactly identical conditions?



600-ft skidpad? Can you not read? It says 200-ft skidpad.

You know what, just kill yourself now, before anybody else finds out what an ass-digging, cock-gobbling, turd burglar you really are.

English, do you speak it?

 

[bruce95fmla]

I pulled these numbers off of google just like you did, asshat, to further illustrate my point that between 4 different sources, there were 4 different numbers, and therefore one can make stats appear any way one wants just by going to a different source. The disparities in these numbers also prove their credibility (or lack thereof).

I suggest you go back to grade school and learn yourself some reading because nowhere have I mentioned an ES.

The MSM cannot outhandle your MSPs? How much are you willing to bet on that? How far is your head stuck up your ass that you can't understand that these numbers mean next to nothing? How stupid do you have to be to not understand sarcasm? Have you ever driven a MSM to its limit and then went back and driven the MSP on the exact identical patch of pavement with the exactly identical conditions?



600-ft skidpad? Can you not read? It says 200-ft skidpad.

You know what, just kill yourself now, before anybody else finds out what an ass-digging, cock-gobbling, turd burglar you really are.

English, do you speak it?

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OUCH ......

(crazy)

 

[JONBOY688]

Msp Ownes The Msm I Went To Texas And Drove Them For Mazda It Handles Nice And All Has Decent Power But Nothing Like The Msp In My .02 Cent But
I Could Be Wrong If I Had A Choice I Would Keep My Msp The Msm Is Nice Dont Get Me Wrong Not Trying To Bash It At All And I Can Drive Pretty Well We Had A Autocross Set Up And My Lap Time Was Like 17.03 And The Pro Drivers Best Lap Was A 16.6 Not A Big Corse Or Anything

 

[jersey_emt]

Watch the flames people...

 

[travisto]

I pulled these numbers off of google just like you did, asshat, to further illustrate my point that between 4 different sources, there were 4 different numbers, and therefore one can make stats appear any way one wants just by going to a different source. The disparities in these numbers also prove their credibility (or lack thereof).

I suggest you go back to grade school and learn yourself some reading because nowhere have I mentioned an ES.

The MSM cannot outhandle your MSPs? How much are you willing to bet on that? How far is your head stuck up your ass that you can't understand that these numbers mean next to nothing? How stupid do you have to be to not understand sarcasm? Have you ever driven a MSM to its limit and then went back and driven the MSP on the exact identical patch of pavement with the exactly identical conditions?



600-ft skidpad? Can you not read? It says 200-ft skidpad.

You know what, just kill yourself now, before anybody else finds out what an ass-digging, cock-gobbling, turd burglar you really are.

English, do you speak it?

I don't use google, I read the Car Bible, MOTORTREND. They have about 5 or 6 excellent drivers who all tested both cars, and guess what fucknut, on the same track! Those numbers don't lie. The same people driving the same cars on the same track! So google on that for a bit! (poke) (blowjob)

 

[Orthonormal]

You think that Motortrend is the "car bible"? Wow. I mean, wow.

I'll spare 10 seconds to try to convince you. Look around the web at autocross results. Compare the times of Mazdaspeed Proteges, modified or unmodified, to times of stock, non-Mazdaspeed Miatas. Now, even Motortrend knows that the MSP accelerates better than a standard Miata...so how do the Miatas come up with better times, if the handling is worse as well? Are fags better drivers?

 

[Notorious]

Msp Ownes The Msm I Went To Texas And Drove Them For Mazda It Handles Nice And All Has Decent Power But Nothing Like The Msp In My .02 Cent But
I Could Be Wrong If I Had A Choice I Would Keep My Msp The Msm Is Nice Dont Get Me Wrong Not Trying To Bash It At All And I Can Drive Pretty Well We Had A Autocross Set Up And My Lap Time Was Like 17.03 And The Pro Drivers Best Lap Was A 16.6 Not A Big Corse Or Anything

I have no idea what the above says. Do you have some sort of vendetta against punctuation?

 

[Notorious]

lol exactly

You think that Motortrend is the "car bible"? Wow. I mean, wow.

 

[KpaBap]

I don't use google, I read the Car Bible, MOTORTREND. They have about 5 or 6 excellent drivers who all tested both cars, and guess what fucknut, on the same track! Those numbers don't lie. The same people driving the same cars on the same track! So google on that for a bit! (poke) (blowjob)

I already knew you used Motortrend and I previously noted so. Had your brain cell afforded you the luxury of comprehension you would have known that.

OK, since you continually show your blatant lack of ability to comprehend the written English language, I will quote my earlier post highlighting the parts to focus your brain cell powers on:

That's funny because Road and Track and Car and Driver tested the 1999 Miata (which I own) Road and Track got 0.83g and C&D got 0.89g on the skidpad, Motor Trend (where you derived your stats from), had the '99 listed at 0.92g, interestingly, Motor Trend also had a 2000 model (equivalent to the '99) listed at 0.91g. Motor Trend also had a 2001 LS listed at 0.88g,

These stats are all over the place and somehow the cars with better chassis/suspensions keep getting lower scores. from Motor Trend.

Furthermore , the MSM got 0.90g on the skidpad from Car and Driver, modernracer.com has it listed as 0.90g but Motor Trend somehow got 0.86g,

What all this means is that your stats are pretty useless since your source can't seem to come up with credible numbers (a base '99 gets more lateral grip than the MSM?).

How do you explain Motortrend's inconsistent numbers?

According to your bible, my '99 handles better than any other production 2nd gen Miata.

Of course, some of us live in what we call 'reality'.

 

[redwagon02]

my '99 ownz all.
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[charles]

I have no idea what the above says. Do you have some sort of vendetta against punctuation?

This is what he tried to post. Now it's in all caps, the way he intended it to be! (thumb)

Originally Posted by JONBOY688
MSP OWNES THE MSM I WENT TO TEXAS AND DROVE THEM FOR MAZDA IT HANDLES NICE AND ALL HAS DECENT POWER BUT NOTHING LIKE THE MSP IN MY .02 CENT BUT
I COULD BE WRONG IF I HAD A CHOICE I WOULD KEEP MY MSP THE MSM IS NICE DONT GET ME WRONG NOT TRYING TO BASH IT AT ALL AND I CAN DRIVE PRETTY WELL WE HAD A AUTOCROSS SET UP AND MY LAP TIME WAS LIKE 17.03 AND THE PRO DRIVERS BEST LAP WAS A 16.6 NOT A BIG CORSE OR ANYTHING

 

[azian6er]

rear wheel drive turbo go cart vs front wheel drive turbo grocery getter.


hmmmm i wonder...

miata ownz even though i dont want to admit it.

-B

 

[ZoomZoomH]

this thread is bench racing at its best (blah)

 

[travisto]

I already knew you used Motortrend and I previously noted so. Had your brain cell afforded you the luxury of comprehension you would have known that.

OK, since you continually show your blatant lack of ability to comprehend the written English language, I will quote my earlier post highlighting the parts to focus your brain cell powers on:

How do you explain Motortrend's inconsistent numbers?

According to your bible, my '99 handles better than any other production 2nd gen Miata.

Of course, some of us live in what we call 'reality'.

Dude, chill! the only reason I posted those #'s was for the simple fact that the same group of guys(I don't care if they were blind quadroplegics) drove the same 2 cars on the same track. Please read my original post, I didn't bag either car. As a matter of fact the only reason I thru in my 2cents on it was because I was overly impressed by the MSM's accleration ability. And to the point of G's on the skid pad, a car can handle better than another car that pull's more G's. It's also about front/rear weight distribution, center of gravity, etc. And on a final note you're the one getting upset, I think Miata's are great little cars, and if I didn't have a wife and kids I'd probably have one! (headbang)

 

[Gen1GT]

This will shut everyone up. Go out and buy the latest issue of SCC. If you're too lazy, I'll post the stats.


MSP MSMX5

weight 2810 2529
wheel hp 150 152
wheel tq 150 143
0-30 2.8 2.6
0-60 7.6 6.9
1/4 mile time 15.5 15.1
1/4 mile speed 89.4 90.1
Skidpad .89 .96
Slalom 70.3mph 70.9mph
60-0 123ft 114ft

Sport Compact Car is a reputable magazine, known for their test repeatability accuracy. The use the same facilities all the time, wheras other car mags don't always. Both cars put up pretty good #s, but obviously, the Mazdaspeed MX-5(apparently the word Miata is no-where on the car) would own the Protege. I'm a Protege owner, but sorry, you can't beat rear-wheel drive for handling.

 

[travisto]

Cool, hadn't read newest SCC yet. Good side by side comparison. My only b**** is that (with my Belltronic) which I'm assuming is fairly accurate, I broke 7 flat on my third run bone stock in my MSP. But judging by both MSM and MSP #'s SCC either had brand new cars with less than 3K on the clutches or they just can't launch a Mazda worth a damn. Car and Criver, Automobile, and Motor Trend all broke 7.0 0-60 in both cars. (rofl) And all had better qtr. #'s for both also, with the MSM winning hands down in acceleration. (wedge)