MSP/Spec-v - KEEP IT BRIEF!!!!
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AFaceInTheCrowd
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yes. the easy street wrx, but thats an automatic.
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Nice
.. never seen or heard of them. Where are they located?Joe
PS- Oh yeah, I wasn't saying it like my car was the only one, just that it is impressive to see
.. I'm still amazed when I launch it that you will see tire smoke before the car starts to roll .AFaceInTheCrowd
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they are located in valley village california. they have the whole package for sale. it costs more than the car tho. its 29 grand but gives a 1st gen wrx 740 whp. VERY INSANE.
Speedplease
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Honestly, once you get the hang of power shifting from first to second in the MSP you wont have as much stumble. I raced a spec-v and pulled on him by 1.5 car lengths so im not really impressed at all with them. But on the other hand When i shift 1st to 2nd i shft at 6400 rpm (right about where the powerband cuts off ) With out taking my foot off the gas ( dont recomend if your not a very skilled shifter) and when i take my foot off the clutch im at about 5000 rpm just out of the stumble range. But this is me with my car so I cant really recomend this to everybody. Just a little input- Thanks-'03 Spicy MSP
Honestly, once you get the hang of power shifting from first to second in the MSP you wont have as much stumble. I raced a spec-v and pulled on him by 1.5 car lengths so im not really impressed at all with them. But on the other hand When i shift 1st to 2nd i shft at 6400 rpm (right about where the powerband cuts off ) With out taking my foot off the gas ( dont recomend if your not a very skilled shifter) and when i take my foot off the clutch im at about 5000 rpm just out of the stumble range. But this is me with my car so I cant really recomend this to everybody. Just a little input- Thanks-'03 Spicy MSP
I shift the same way, in all my cars. It is a skill though that takes practice. You have to shift and pop the clutch at that precise time before it hits the rev limiter. People have rode with me and was mezmorized by my shifting abilities. Maybe one day I will get it on video. Maybe a split screen of the tach and my feet.
did someone say a non turbo wrx?
Umm.. yea. the wrx is a 2.0 Boxer 4 Turbo, with top mount intercooler, see: hood scoop
Yes i said boxer, meaning horizontally opposed, or "flat"
They make a 4 door sedan, and now a wagon, also with 4 doors.
So please dont ever tell me you raced a non turbo wrx, because well.. you didnt.
Sorry to sound like a jerk, but just giving some good info.
Ohh yea, stock for stock, wrx pulls in a straight line, 227hp, vs 170, and the beauty of awd launch. Cant over come 57hp, and awd from a dead dig. Well with similarly skilled drivers, anyways
in one of the last autocrosses here, a stock msp, did better than a modified wrx. WRX mods, downpipe, chip upgrade, and full coilover suspension. The driver also owns a grand national, and is an excellent driver, ive riden with him, and hes scared me shitless in it. The wrx lost by half a second on one run, and upwards of a full second on others.
SO in a straight line, a wrx will win, but in the twisties, the MSP is where its at.
Back to on topic. Your friend with the advantages of 6 gears vs , and 5 more hp. tell the kid to learn something about cars, and then ask him to race. Wipe the floor with him, a few times, and then tell him to follow you through a road you know is twisty. To be safe, dont even push your car, and tell him to try to keep up, or just take him for a ride in it. He wont talk s*** anymore.
Have a nice day!
Umm.. yea. the wrx is a 2.0 Boxer 4 Turbo, with top mount intercooler, see: hood scoop
Yes i said boxer, meaning horizontally opposed, or "flat"
They make a 4 door sedan, and now a wagon, also with 4 doors.
So please dont ever tell me you raced a non turbo wrx, because well.. you didnt.
Sorry to sound like a jerk, but just giving some good info.
Ohh yea, stock for stock, wrx pulls in a straight line, 227hp, vs 170, and the beauty of awd launch. Cant over come 57hp, and awd from a dead dig. Well with similarly skilled drivers, anyways
in one of the last autocrosses here, a stock msp, did better than a modified wrx. WRX mods, downpipe, chip upgrade, and full coilover suspension. The driver also owns a grand national, and is an excellent driver, ive riden with him, and hes scared me shitless in it. The wrx lost by half a second on one run, and upwards of a full second on others.
SO in a straight line, a wrx will win, but in the twisties, the MSP is where its at.
Back to on topic. Your friend with the advantages of 6 gears vs , and 5 more hp. tell the kid to learn something about cars, and then ask him to race. Wipe the floor with him, a few times, and then tell him to follow you through a road you know is twisty. To be safe, dont even push your car, and tell him to try to keep up, or just take him for a ride in it. He wont talk s*** anymore.
Have a nice day!
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KyRaceFan said:did someone say a non turbo wrx?
Umm.. yea. the wrx is a 2.0 Boxer 4 Turbo, with top mount intercooler, see: hood scoop
Yes i said boxer, meaning horizontally opposed, or "flat"
They make a 4 door sedan, and now a wagon, also with 4 doors.
So please dont ever tell me you raced a non turbo wrx, because well.. you didnt.
Sorry to sound like a jerk, but just giving some good info.
Actually he coulda raced one it's called a 2.5rs, they look exatly the same, and with an untrained eye you can't tell the difference without looking at the back end and seeing the 2.5rs badge, otherwise they both say impreza and are pretty much identical.
I like both cars.
I was one of those folks who had a deposit on the MSP and was left waiting....and waiting...AND WAITING! Finally, the lease runs out on my truck and I need transportation. The Spec-V was on the lot, the MSP wasn't.
In the being available when I needed it category, the Spec wins in a shutout, 1-0.
I love my Spec-V. I am very happy with my purchase. I feel pretty bad for the 2002 Spec owners with their laundry lists of problems with the engine (crap rings at the time), tranny, ugly red fraying seats, etc. Thankfully, the 03 model and mine in general has been trouble free. I still keep a close eye on the oil and broke her in for the first 1500 miles.
The MSP is gonna give you better bang for the buck in the long run by upping the boost. One thing that dissuades alot of folks from the MSP though is "slapping a turbo on a motor without forged internals, etc".
Styling, I love the front end of my Spec, but overall the MSP takes this category.
Handling - MSP easily. With NISMO goodies finally hitting the market, the Spec will hopefully be able to hold its own.
Overall, I think MSPs and Spec-Vs should learn to get along. After all, we both have a common enemy - the SRT-4.
I was one of those folks who had a deposit on the MSP and was left waiting....and waiting...AND WAITING! Finally, the lease runs out on my truck and I need transportation. The Spec-V was on the lot, the MSP wasn't.
In the being available when I needed it category, the Spec wins in a shutout, 1-0.
I love my Spec-V. I am very happy with my purchase. I feel pretty bad for the 2002 Spec owners with their laundry lists of problems with the engine (crap rings at the time), tranny, ugly red fraying seats, etc. Thankfully, the 03 model and mine in general has been trouble free. I still keep a close eye on the oil and broke her in for the first 1500 miles.
The MSP is gonna give you better bang for the buck in the long run by upping the boost. One thing that dissuades alot of folks from the MSP though is "slapping a turbo on a motor without forged internals, etc".
Styling, I love the front end of my Spec, but overall the MSP takes this category.
Handling - MSP easily. With NISMO goodies finally hitting the market, the Spec will hopefully be able to hold its own.
Overall, I think MSPs and Spec-Vs should learn to get along. After all, we both have a common enemy - the SRT-4.
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Lets start with Spec V.
-Made in Mexico
-Harsh mismatch paint on body panels
-lack of insulation in wheel wells => leaky trunk
-misaligned body panels (All quality control problems)
-Super bad turning radius.. 3 pt turn U-turns...
-Overpriced in the US.. but cheap in Canada...relative to MSP.
-Made in Mexico
-Harsh mismatch paint on body panels
-lack of insulation in wheel wells => leaky trunk
-misaligned body panels (All quality control problems)
-Super bad turning radius.. 3 pt turn U-turns...
-Overpriced in the US.. but cheap in Canada...relative to MSP.
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Lets start with Spec V.
-Made in Mexico
-Harsh mismatch paint on body panels
-lack of insulation in wheel wells => leaky trunk
-misaligned body panels (All quality control problems)
-Super bad turning radius.. 3 pt turn U-turns...
-Overpriced in the US.. but cheap in Canada...relative to MSP.
Okay, that was harsh. But I'll throw in my $.02. Yeah, made in Mexico. That sucks. My trunk doesn't leak. My body panels are aligned pretty well except for the rear GXE bumper. Eh, I'm gonna put on a kit anyway. Yeah, the turning radius isn't that great, but it can turn strong at higher speeds with minimum understeer. The pricing I was pretty happy with. $17,200 for mine after T,T,&T. Just a little defense.
Lets start with Spec V.
-Made in Mexico
-Harsh mismatch paint on body panels
-lack of insulation in wheel wells => leaky trunk
-misaligned body panels (All quality control problems)
-Super bad turning radius.. 3 pt turn U-turns...
-Overpriced in the US.. but cheap in Canada...relative to MSP.
Okay, that was harsh. But I'll throw in my $.02. Yeah, made in Mexico. That sucks. My trunk doesn't leak. My body panels are aligned pretty well except for the rear GXE bumper. Eh, I'm gonna put on a kit anyway. Yeah, the turning radius isn't that great, but it can turn strong at higher speeds with minimum understeer. The pricing I was pretty happy with. $17,200 for mine after T,T,&T. Just a little defense.
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Face it, they're even
First of all, I do own a Spec-V and I love my car. I avoided the 02 problems by getting the 03 and haven't had any problems what so ever.
As far as straight line 1/4 mile goes, the Spec and the MSP are definately a driver's race.
One can always say, "Well we can up the boost", or whatever, but stock for stock they are about dead even. In the handling category the MSP does have its advantages, but the Spec should be given some credit too; it's a pretty good handling car as well.
As far as mods go, there are currently two companies developing FI kits for the Spec. The Area-51 SC kit won't be comming out, but there are several turbo Specs out there right now putting at least 250 hp to the wheels with little or no internal mods.
I tore my hair out for about 2 or 3 months between the Spec and the MSP. What it finally came down to was $. Plus the stalling/hesitation/clunk problems started to scare me away from the MSP. My 03 Spec with everything except ABS could be had for 17k. My Mazda dealer wouldn't go below 20.5k for the MSP. For 3.5k I can get a turbo kit for the Spec and put 250 to the wheels.
What I'm saying is, I've made my choice and I'm happy with it. The MSP is a great car too, but some just don't like to admit that they're even stock for stock in the 1/4.
First of all, I do own a Spec-V and I love my car. I avoided the 02 problems by getting the 03 and haven't had any problems what so ever.
As far as straight line 1/4 mile goes, the Spec and the MSP are definately a driver's race.
One can always say, "Well we can up the boost", or whatever, but stock for stock they are about dead even. In the handling category the MSP does have its advantages, but the Spec should be given some credit too; it's a pretty good handling car as well.
As far as mods go, there are currently two companies developing FI kits for the Spec. The Area-51 SC kit won't be comming out, but there are several turbo Specs out there right now putting at least 250 hp to the wheels with little or no internal mods.
I tore my hair out for about 2 or 3 months between the Spec and the MSP. What it finally came down to was $. Plus the stalling/hesitation/clunk problems started to scare me away from the MSP. My 03 Spec with everything except ABS could be had for 17k. My Mazda dealer wouldn't go below 20.5k for the MSP. For 3.5k I can get a turbo kit for the Spec and put 250 to the wheels.
What I'm saying is, I've made my choice and I'm happy with it. The MSP is a great car too, but some just don't like to admit that they're even stock for stock in the 1/4.
