MSP Hesitation: Compiling list for Mazda USA
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funnylittlman
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Grimace said:I have the hesitation once in a while, but not the stalling problem.
The worst time I experienced the hestitation was accelerating semi-hard in 5th gear, and when the tac hit ~3500 RPM, it felt for a moment like when my drivers ed teacher used to hit the passenger side brake...
I've had this as well... It felt like the 1st time I drove a stick :mad:
Yeah,
Mine is doing the same thing as everyone else's. It almost feels like the ecu is adding too much fuel to the engine. Does anyone know if our cars are running to rich? I for one love my car but that beast called the EVO VIII is calling and if Mazda can't get there stuff together I will have no problem switching brands. My IS300 had a nice big hesitation like the MSP and they flashed the ecu and all was fine. Of course we should check if the 2003.5's do it as well. Saw a yellow one in Galveston, TX last weekend.
Mine is doing the same thing as everyone else's. It almost feels like the ecu is adding too much fuel to the engine. Does anyone know if our cars are running to rich? I for one love my car but that beast called the EVO VIII is calling and if Mazda can't get there stuff together I will have no problem switching brands. My IS300 had a nice big hesitation like the MSP and they flashed the ecu and all was fine. Of course we should check if the 2003.5's do it as well. Saw a yellow one in Galveston, TX last weekend.
Below is the E-mail I recieved from MAZDA usa. :
Dear Aaron,
Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.
In regards to your question, please understand I'm not technically
trained and therefore not in a position to diagnose or speculate as to
the operational condition of your vehicle or its relationship to
conditions experienced by other owners. For these matters, Mazda relies
on the factory-trained technicians at authorized Mazda dealerships to
diagnose and repair concerns that may arise with a Mazda vehicle.
Each Mazda dealership has access to Mazda's Quality Assurance
Department via a technical hotline. This is offered to each dealership
should they need assistance from Mazda with diagnosing or repairing a
Mazda vehicle. By contacting Quality Assurance, a dealership (as you
inquired) can also receive any information about a model-wide concern,
if applicable. Again, I can not speculate as to whether this actually
is just a characteristic, or if it is indicative of a defect...that is
the role of a Mazda dealership and their Mazda resources outlined
above.
Therefore, I recommend contacting a Mazda dealership regarding this
matter. You may locate your nearest Mazda dealerships online at
www.mazdausa.com/dealers/default.asp.
Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to
assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely
satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also
contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.
Please take a moment of your time to give us your opinion about our
e-mail service. Click the link below to complete a brief, online
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Regards,
William Zdan
Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business
Dear Aaron,
Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.
In regards to your question, please understand I'm not technically
trained and therefore not in a position to diagnose or speculate as to
the operational condition of your vehicle or its relationship to
conditions experienced by other owners. For these matters, Mazda relies
on the factory-trained technicians at authorized Mazda dealerships to
diagnose and repair concerns that may arise with a Mazda vehicle.
Each Mazda dealership has access to Mazda's Quality Assurance
Department via a technical hotline. This is offered to each dealership
should they need assistance from Mazda with diagnosing or repairing a
Mazda vehicle. By contacting Quality Assurance, a dealership (as you
inquired) can also receive any information about a model-wide concern,
if applicable. Again, I can not speculate as to whether this actually
is just a characteristic, or if it is indicative of a defect...that is
the role of a Mazda dealership and their Mazda resources outlined
above.
Therefore, I recommend contacting a Mazda dealership regarding this
matter. You may locate your nearest Mazda dealerships online at
www.mazdausa.com/dealers/default.asp.
Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to
assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely
satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also
contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.
Please take a moment of your time to give us your opinion about our
e-mail service. Click the link below to complete a brief, online
survey.
http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?5TYD85TYCGRDSLWVFE7RJ6R9
Regards,
William Zdan
Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business
My car hesitates, usually when it's very humid or rainy outside... It's like the car stutters, you know how when you were first learning to drive a stick and wouldn't give it enough gas and the car would kind of jerk back and forth, that what I get, except at about 3-4K RPM. It's rare, but annoying, it seems to happen in all gears when the car is doing it. I pretty much have to baby the engine when it's in this 'mood'.
My experience is very similar to many of yours: obvious hesitation between about 3000 and 4000 rpm. It's pretty frustrating. Sometimes I'm exiting a turn, hitting the gas and getting virtually no response.
The car's handling is indeed exceptional--even better than I expected after reading all the car magazine's reviews. But. . . this hesitation leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
thanks,ping for starting this thread, doing the poll and encouraging us to contact Mazdausa!
The car's handling is indeed exceptional--even better than I expected after reading all the car magazine's reviews. But. . . this hesitation leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
thanks,ping for starting this thread, doing the poll and encouraging us to contact Mazdausa!
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It is raining here in TO.....today was a very bad day for hestitation even thou I dropped in a K&N drop in filter...was great for a few days but not I think the ecu has adjusted the fuel mix to the new amount of air...so back to the drawing board
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I don't think the K&N is anything more than a slight improvment over the stock airbox if that...It's pulling in more air, but it's hotter air. I think I'm gonna put the stock box back on and see the difference..wish i had a heatshield or something..
I unplugged the battery to reset the ecu for more airflow after i put in the k&n..but didn't seem to help much..
and i'm getting sick of the damn hesitation...
I unplugged the battery to reset the ecu for more airflow after i put in the k&n..but didn't seem to help much..
and i'm getting sick of the damn hesitation...
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TURBO3WAGON
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Ive noticed that the stumbling becomes more evident when its humid out, which really suck for us Florida residents. Ive also noticed that while the car is hesitating, If I hold it at about 3k in what ever gear then flush it to 5k 6k it actually clears up. Once I have it cleared up It runs fine. It turn what this equates to is that I have to flush the engine a few times to get it to run better. I hate to have to dog the car out every time I drive it, but it seams to clear it up after a while.
Has anyone else has this experience?
(bang) (mspb)
Has anyone else has this experience?
(bang) (mspb)
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Haven't tried that..I'll give it a whirl...
funnylittlman
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yeah I have Turbo3wagon,
When i get pissed at the head banging it does to me, I just mash the gas for a little bit, then start to drive normal. It's feels like you "burped" the baby after a meal !
When i get pissed at the head banging it does to me, I just mash the gas for a little bit, then start to drive normal. It's feels like you "burped" the baby after a meal !
TURBO3WAGON
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I believe that our cars are running supper rich, which would explain why the CIA helps remedy the stutter. I also fell it could be a timing issue. Has anyone tried a set of 1 step colder plugs???
All this equates to poor ECU map.
All this equates to poor ECU map.
funnylittlman
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There is no way, (w/o a piggy back) to dyno tune our cars, eh?
TURBO3WAGON
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What? You don't need a piggy back to run 1 step colder plugs. I've done it on most of my turbo cars, especially when running up the boost.
funnylittlman
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TURBO3WAGON said:
No no no... I meant Dyno tune the car.. not anything about 1 step colder plugs (people w/ higher boost should do that.. which will eliminate that pinging noise)
But I said is there a way to Dyno tune our cars w/o the use of a piggy back?
TampaBlackMSP
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I think everyone seems to have about the same symptoms. Without reiterating or restating anything, mine acts like this between 3000 - 45000, and only sporadically...very weird, and most annoying.
I hope the fact that our cars are limited prod. vehicles won't hinder a possible fix in the near future - at least it better not...keeping fingers crossed.
Good luck to us all!
I hope the fact that our cars are limited prod. vehicles won't hinder a possible fix in the near future - at least it better not...keeping fingers crossed.
Good luck to us all!
Mine does it too. I think it can be attributed to poor ECU tuning by Mazda and Callaway. Seeing the A/F ratio when this happens the thing goes WAY rich at that point. I also just ran some 94 Octane in it as opposed to the 93 I normally run and it seemed to help. Could the knock sensor be picking up detonation and then dumping fuel AND retarding timing together in response to knock?
I get better response from my Link in my Turbo Miata, and I tuned that myself. I'd think Mazda or any manufacturer could do better than that. I keep asking my dealer if they have new software yet and they still say no. We'll have to keep waiting.
Maybe if a few people give theirs up under the lemon law they'll get it fixed...:'(
I get better response from my Link in my Turbo Miata, and I tuned that myself. I'd think Mazda or any manufacturer could do better than that. I keep asking my dealer if they have new software yet and they still say no. We'll have to keep waiting.
Maybe if a few people give theirs up under the lemon law they'll get it fixed...:'(
all the responses your getting from Mazda is the typical, copy-paste, blow them off responses. they see your request, barely read it, probably put some quick and very brief summary of it in a computer somewhere, and move on to the next complaint.
It's a start of getting something done, and it needs to be done, as you need to show them how many cars are effected. The more cars, the more personal complaints sent in, letters, emails, call whatever.....all good. But, to get something done, I learned it takes more then letters, and it takes someone to sacrifice a lot of personal time, and I'm not even sure that works yet. Good luck guys. Hopefully you'll have this thing cleared up before I get mine
for the record, the one here in town does NOT hesitate, or at least he doesn't notice.
It's a start of getting something done, and it needs to be done, as you need to show them how many cars are effected. The more cars, the more personal complaints sent in, letters, emails, call whatever.....all good. But, to get something done, I learned it takes more then letters, and it takes someone to sacrifice a lot of personal time, and I'm not even sure that works yet. Good luck guys. Hopefully you'll have this thing cleared up before I get mine
for the record, the one here in town does NOT hesitate, or at least he doesn't notice.
