MSP Falling off?
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mazdaspeed75
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Nick going to do your build .
Yes it is an older car now that the new model MS3 is out we'll be forgoten but we can still love the cars and enjoy them. I still have big plans for my car and have been going through with them little by little as money allows. I broke the diff so upgraded that the clutch and threw in the motor mounts while I was at it. My plans called for a bigger turbo so when I saw a kit I could afford I jumped on that now I have a spool stage one with a t3 turbo so I have all the hardware done and I can easily upgrade when I max this one out. Everything else will be taken care of as it needs to be or as money allows.
orng1 said:
I don't think we'll be forgotten. Especially with the likes of SCC magazine paying homage to the fact that the MSP was the best handling FWD car ever made. I think in history the MSP will be remembered much like the 323 GTX... as a car that "people in the know" will remember as a great milestone in the evolution of the sport compact.
I love the speed look, I get a lot of compliments at gas stations. I love the "what the hell is that?" look I get pulling up anywhere. With the functional (bland) styling some carmarkers are using now, these cars are even more appealing. I never get tired of driving in it, and when I drive a van or other car for a few hours and get back in the pro, I remember again why I like it so much. I'll never sell it 
i think it is a great car, but not for the market it was for. Making a car for the tuner market with fisher price rods and a horrible lsd is just not going to make for great sales. for the average driver and people planning to just keep it stock it is great, but for people planning to mod i think it is the wrong car. those rods just pretty much screwed the whole car. they should have replaced those from the get-go. most people looking at the car don't want to spend 1k+ replacing the rods right off the bat, and once they break, if they do, it is going to cost alot more than that to fix the damages. great car, but not for the target market.
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Forged Rods are bassically the only "extra" thing you might have to do compared to other cars to make large ammounts of power. And a good solution for the LSD seems to be welding.
FI_FSDE said:Forged Rods are bassically the only "extra" thing you might have to do compared to other cars to make large ammounts of power. And a good solution for the LSD seems to be welding.
Not to mention, once you get these installed, your car is more than amazing. Handling that is unmatched by other stock FWD cars. In addition to the fact you will be flyin!
smo0f said:
well we can cross of the soccer moms and the business men. we can cross off the people looking for just good gas mileage. we can cross off the people looking for a full out sports car. The car is targeted at the tuner market. how do you not see that? what market do you think the srt-4 was targeted at? it is the same market. fwd, good power, good handling, cheap. At least that's the way i see it. that is the majority of the people that bought it anyway. That's why it wasn't advertised. Most tuner market based cars arent advertised on tv and such because the people that are going to buy them already know about them. The reason the srt-4 did so well is because it responds extremely well to mods and that is what the majority of the people that bought it were looking for. I am not trying to bash the msp, but i didn't buy it because i would hate being afraid everytime i mashed the pedal with some mods. If i wanted to have to deal with internals and such to make the power i want, i would have bought the msp no doubt, but handling isn't that important to me and that is where the msp shines. I just don't like having to drop 1k into a car to take away the little fear in the back of my head that a piston is gonna fly thru my hood if i step on it. obviously it is great for alot of people and i am glad it did pretty well, but i and alot of the tuner market want to start with a motor that can handle alot more power, and that just isn't an option with the msp. i just want straight line performance and decent handling, which is why i bought my car. Hell if i drop 1k into my internals (forged pistons, already have forged rods) i could make 300whp all motor and handle well over 550hp. again, i like the msp, and i was very close to buying one. I just think that the rods were the big mistake on it which is a large part of the equation in buying a car with hardcore enthusiasts of straight line performance.
you're really stating the obvious here though. who's a 'tuner' that will go out and buy a 110whp car with a turbo kit slapped on it, and then act shocked that the engine couldn't handle anymore power? the msp was sold stock at near it's full potential power. those running with the stock block at 250whp have invested a decent amount of money and time on it, but that's about it. i don't think anyone went and bought an msp with the idea that 'oh man, that's gonna be a great car to mod to get great power of'. at least not if they researched it. and considering the fact that it was a (very) limited production car, and came at the last second with the final productions of the protege, i believe it was a mere ploy by mazda to get rid of their proteges faster. they didn't care if there's going to be aftermarket support for it. they certainly weren't going to provide it themselves. and why isn't there much aftermarket support for it? well besides that the car was only made for a year and isn't being made anymore, there's only ~2500 of them, and to get any power by buying mods, you have to attach the price of building a motor to get anywhere really. as far as the people who own them goes, they fall into several categories. those who bought them without knowing what it is, then later realizing they can't do much with it after they gain interest into tuning and modding, and end up selling it, or the group that instead of selling it ends up willingly paying money to mod it to try to achieve certain goals, but are still unsatisfied and attempt to turn it back to stock to sell it, or, the group that loves the car the way it is stock and don't care much for tuning or modding, and that in my opinion is who the car was made for, and probably the people who enjoy and benefit from the car the most.
If I had an msp, I would fit into the last category. Just buying it and planning to keep it stock, but with all the horror stories I've head of people blowing stock motors at WOT in 5th and other turbo related issues, that has caused me to shy away from the MSP. Still a sweet little car though.
69RMSP said:
I guess when communists like yourself take away free speech rights and come to my house and unplug my computer. I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo that I was only allowed to post as many times as you will let me. Whats your problem man. Back off! If you don't like my posts, don't read them. We're all just commenting on a message board. Did I insult you or something?
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69RMSP said:
Why do you have to be a jackass, jackass?
