MS3 vs. 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4

[sanblaster]

From judging your others post on this board, you might as well sit back and watch because you are ****** clueless.

Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

 

[Donas64]

Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

Thanks for the vote of confidence sanblaster. Its not like I'm saying the MS3 is slow, I'm just stating that straight up, stock for stock and equal drivers there is NO WAY an MS3 beats an SL55 AMG in a drag race. Heck AMG benzes are ALL about going fast in a staight line.

Over 500 hp and over 500 Lb ft. , big sticky tires and RWD and you're telling me that a skilled driver can't beat an MS3? Gimme a break. sure the thing weighs a ton but good grief man.

 

[Haltech]

And there you go! I'll leave you to your own devices.

Next thing I know you'll be telling me your MS3 can beat an Enzo and because I don't own an MS3, I'll have to believe you.

Facts are facts guy. Everything I said is a fact. Not saying that its not possible. Heck your MS3 COULD beat an ENZO....if the Enzo driver never shifted out of first.

I like be MS3 but come back to reality my good man.

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bulls*** on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

 

[Haltech]

Actually one of the smartest guys on this forum when it comes to a lot of things.. Just relax bro. (drinks)

I beg to differ...

 

[TX Speed 6]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

 

[Donas64]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bulls*** on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

Yes bring my religion into a discussion about cars because thats relevant to the conversation. With each an every comment you make you ignorance becomes more and more obvious.

FACT: SL500 AMG is faster than MS3 in a staight line.

 

[div2]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

No way does a MS3 beat a well-driven E46 M3-MT OR SMG II. Or an E90 335i, for that matter. That said, straight line speed isn't everything. On a fun to drive basis I'd rate the M3 first, MS3 next, and the 335i third.
And yes, I've driven all three. (laugh)

 

[Donas64]

an ms3 beat a amg 500? M3 maybe, depends on the year... maybe... but come on!?!? Sorry man but I call:bs:

Oh my Gosh, someone else with some common sense! I salute you sir!

I agree on the M3 being a close race too depending on year. M3's are a little light in the torque dept but even still they would have an edge. Still a drivers race, but in a straight up drag race, an stock AMG benz would eat an MS3 alive.

I understand power to weight and all it entails but numbers don't lie.

I could even give the MS3 driver the jump off the line due to the SL driver having to launch softer or risk obliterating his tires but the SL55 is slightly over a second faster in the quarter mile and if the race goes on any longer the MS3 would soon be a small spec in the rear view mirror of the benz.

Once again. I love the MS3 and would have no qualms about owning one but to say that its faster stock for stock than the AMG benz is just silly.

 

[sanblaster]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bulls*** on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

Class act.

 

[Donas64]

No way does a MS3 beat a well-driven E46 M3-MT OR SMG II. Or an E90 335i, for that matter. That said, straight line speed isn't everything. On a fun to drive basis I'd rate the M3 first, MS3 next, and the 335i third.
And yes, I've driven all three. (laugh)

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

 

[Haltech]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

Youre telling me im full of crap. I dont have any reason to lie to ANY of you.. Considering i have been racing for over 20 yrs for one and number 2, i KNOW how to drive. Thats like me telling you my lightning smokes everything thatr i come up against, yet you will tell me differently.. Never under-estimate a driver. But if you all believe it didnt happen, than i guess you are all correct...

As far as your religion goes, its in your sig... I dont need to see it... You put it there.

 

[sanblaster]

You know how many people I have whooped with my 92hp engine. Quite a bit. But I know for a fact the timing of most of the street lights in my area and they think I am pushing a lot of hp out of the car by means of looks so I lawl them in a false sense of security (Heard it on a show). I catch a lot of them off guard. Do I street race. Not really and when I gun it, I gun it until I reach the speed limit. The moral, I am not going to gloat about it or make a thread in the street kills thread because I know that 95% of the vehicles out there are faster than mine. Specs are specs mang. You can't argue that and most people don't need to beat you to prove they are faster. i.e people who drive vettes, etc. Their status talks.

 

[div2]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

I had a chipped M6 making @320 hp at the flywheel prior to ordering my 140 hp Club Sport, and the Club Sport is just as much fun to drive. In fact, it made me a much better track driver since I didn't have a ton of hp to cover up my mistakes.
An E36 M3 and an MS3 would be pretty evenly matched, as contemporary road tests show similar acceleration times, not to mention nearly identical roadholding, slalom, and braking numbers. The best driver would win on the strip AND the road course.

 

[Haltech]

Oh I agree totally. Staight line speed is just one measure of a cars greatness. Even my Slowtege5 brings a smile to my face when I throw it into some curves and switchbacks and its by no means fast. But this man is saying that he beat an M3 and an SL55 AMG benz in a drag race which I agree is possible.....if the M3 driver and the SL driver both SUCK!

Not saying he didn't beat them, heck he just might have but I'm saying stock for stock with equal drivers those cars are faster than an MS3 and he's trying to tell me that I'm a bible thumper who's full of crap. (dunno) (scratch) (crazy)

i ran a 13.6 @ 89 MPH bone stock... 1.92 60 ft time... Track was slippery.. Best M3 ive seen run is a 13.3... On the street, he was toast. Slip the clutch on a 1700 RPM launch on the MS3 and the little guy catches traction real quick. Learning to drive your car at its maxed potential is key.

 

[Stamperman]

ugly styling, mini suv hotrod?, but, and I say BUT!!!, if they can get to sell this for under $20k , they might be in good standing as fas as sales. cant wait to see how the interior is gonna be. cheapo? very cheapo? very very cheapo? the latter being the more probable. also cant wait for numbers on this this. it does have crazy power though!!!!
does anyone know how many may be produced?

I had a new Avenger as rental car last week. The interior looked like it was designed and made by rubbermade. I don't have too much hope for the interior of this little Dodge. I did read in one of my car industry mags that Chrysler has hired a designer or put someone in charge to specifically to address their lackluster interiors. It will probably take at least 2 years before there are any real result to show.

 

[SwampAss]

Check it out bible thumper, nothing you said is fact. Let me give you a little insight.. Torque + Low Weight = Power To Weight Ratio... When you learn that, ill allow you to spew more bulls*** on these forums. I WILL have a low 12 second MS3 by years end if the tuning software gives me 100% complete ECU control.

Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.

 

[div2]

Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.

Agreed.

 

[Haltech]

Whether it matters to you or not, lowering oneself to making incendiary comments about another person with whom you disagree shows a serious lack of couth.

3/4 of this board is pure flaming... Must be impossible for someone to beat out cars that others claim are just to fast. Especially those people who think M3s are fast. Fast is 910 pounds of torque...

 

[redspeed]

Ford markets it as Duratec in Ford cars. We get longer intake mani, S-VT continuous valve timing and nicer headers compared to the fords though. But the 2.3L MZR is still a Duratec no matter what you call it.

Actually it was designed BY MAZDA with assistance from Ford. Ford dropped its original zeta zetec engine to use the Mazda design. Ford call the Mazda MZR engine Duratec 20 and Duratec 23.
Sooooooo........ No, its NOT powered by Ford. (no)

You are right about the intake, S-VT valve timing and headers. (thumb)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Z_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine

 

[SwampAss]

3/4 of this board is pure flaming... Must be impossible for someone to beat out cars that others claim are just to fast. Especially those people who think M3s are fast. Fast is 910 pounds of torque...

I am in the 1/4 that doesn't flame. If you are using the 3/4ths argument to justify why you said what you said, that's weak sauce. I think you have a lot of expertise to offer (given the performance of your previous vehicles and your ability to drive them) and would hate to see that ruined with animosity towards others. Especially when it's relatively unprovoked.