MPI or something else??

[Titanium-99]

Watch it little man you dont even own a man card or tools at that matter speaking of which i need mine back.. LOL I Got some emo for you its called my size 13 up yor ass. Hey you never called me back yesterday I wanted to tell you that my car got a cel and I went to get it checked at auto zone and it read bank 1 to lean which helps prove my theroy that my o2 is bad and I think that is why my car has been so impossible to tune. I got a new o2 I just need my tools to put it in and clear this cel from my car.

 

[apocman]

cool !!!

Watch it little man you dont even own a man card or tools at that matter speaking of which i need mine back.. LOL I Got some emo for you its called my size 13 up yor ass. Hey you never called me back yesterday I wanted to tell you that my car got a cel and I went to get it checked at auto zone and it read bank 1 to lean which helps prove my theroy that my o2 is bad and I think that is why my car has been so impossible to tune. I got a new o2 I just need my tools to put it in and clear this cel from my car.

 

[hukster00]

hi, sorry little of topic any one know when i can find pictures of the extra injectors setup that nic offers ? or the MPNick custom rail set with extra injectors ? i asume you need to tap the intake manifold for it ?

 

[apocman]

I could get some pictures. You install them into the hardpipe going into the throttle body, so it becomes an intercooler sprayer and adds extra fuel at the same time...

hi, sorry little of topic any one know when i can find pictures of the extra injectors setup that nic offers ? or the MPNick custom rail set with extra injectors ? i asume you need to tap the intake manifold for it ?

 

[Mr. Win]

Brian MP5T has a nice extra injector setup, Blkzoomzoom was selling stock pipe with a set up in it and if you look up kooldino he has the extra rail setup.

 

[apocman]

Ah, yes Black ZZ, yes some of his very parts make up the Franken'Speed I'm building!!!

 

[wicked]

As much of a fan of extra injector as I am,I am definatly not a fan of the way nick has designed his,they are really inaccurate,not because of them being before the throttle body,but because the spray stright accross the intercooler pipe instead of with it.I have nicks setup,and was so un happy with it I had to mod it to function properly.
like this

 

[JDM Sam]

Adam, P0171 can also be a leak or fuel trim problem. Check that first then test the O2 voltage. Also, I need to give you the new Profec B Setting you have the old setting.

 

[apocman]

he replaced his O2 and now his car runs great and so far he hasn't had any issues, but we'll have to wait and see how it does...

 

[MPNick]

As much of a fan of extra injector as I am,I am definatly not a fan of the way nick has designed his,they are really inaccurate,not because of them being before the throttle body,but because the spray stright accross the intercooler pipe instead of with it.I have nicks setup,and was so un happy with it I had to mod it to function properly.
like this

And your facts to back up this claim is what?

 

[wicked]

And your facts to back up this claim is what?

nick,not saying that they didn't work,because they definatly do,I was saying I was unhappy with how you have then spraying perpendicular to the intercooler pipe,instead of trying to get then to go with the flow.


if you spray a injector 2.5 inches into a flat surface you will have fuel puddling rather then keeping the nice atomized conical spray they are designed for.

a lot of people have given you grief for useing extra injectors before the TB,due to the improper intake mani design,why would you hinder the fuel delivery even more?

you can see how I moddified your extra injectors,this WILL provide more accurate fuel delivery.no if's about it.

 

[Bigg Tim]

97protege--The MPI will require you to tune it and dyno tuning is not the way to go. It will take time and there will be a learning curve but you will be happy with the results. For the price, it does what is needed to be done. Who cares if it is "real" control, if I can change something in the SW and see the results in teh car, then that's control to me.

The xtra injector setup works right the way he designed it. The injectors are a fine mist spary pattern injector so they do not need to go with the flow. There are a TON of high HP vehicles using them this way and if there is a difference in havin gthem in the flow, you will not ever feel it. The xtra injector setup is the easiest way to tune IMO. You do not need the coolant clamp so there is no buck to tune out and like apoc said, it not only adds fuel, but it cools the charge air.

In NJ, I made 228whp @ 8psi on my MPI turbo kit. This is a great number for only 8psi. The potential is there and for the money you can't go wrong. But to re-iterate, you WILL need to tune it, so if that's something you don't want to do, then don't get it. But if you do, then you will be happy once it's done. I have passed emissions in MD and AZ with this unit and no modifications to it. And that's is a full 3" exhaust and a high flow cat.

Pic of xtra injector on a big dog viper. Do you think with the kind of money spent on this setup, they would do something that doesn't work right?

P.S. Wicked, I am not trying to be a dick towards you, so don't take it the wrong way.(thumb) I am just trying to say it works well the way it is!

 

[wicked]

I tested the injectors I recived from nick to make sure they were firing accurately,thats when I noticed how much they were not setup for this application,and would cause some puddeling when put closer then 2.5 inches to something(intercooler pipe)

like I said they work,and work well,just not as well as I wanted.

 

[igdrasil]

wiked...that doesnt have anything to do with the MPI, but the injector installation.

 

[igdrasil]

Pic of xtra injector on a big dog viper. Do you think with the kind of money spent on this setup, they would do something that doesn't work right?

P.S. Wicked, I am not trying to be a dick towards you, so don't take it the wrong way.(thumb) I am just trying to say it works well the way it is!

We have no proof that the MPI is actually doing only extra injector control or doing ignition, injection and extra injector control in that Viper.


BTW, the MPI works fine, its all about taste and how much you want to spend and your WHP goal.

 

[Bigg Tim]

We have no proof that the MPI is actually doing only extra injector control or doing ignition, injection and extra injector control in that Viper.


BTW, the MPI works fine, its all about taste and how much you want to spend and your WHP goal.

Oh no, I wasn't saying that the MPI controlled anything in that pic. It was just to show that having xtra injectors setup like that works and many other cars use them that way.

 

[igdrasil]

Oh no, I wasn't saying that the MPI controlled anything in that pic. It was just to show that having xtra injectors setup like that works and many other cars use them that way.

Hehe, believe it or not. I liked so much the MPI that Im going to buy another one, for alcohol/water injection and to trigger other stuff like nitrous. So my setup will be:

MPI
Microtech
J&S

 

[Bigg Tim]

Hehe, believe it or not. I liked so much the MPI that Im going to buy another one, for alcohol/water injection and to trigger other stuff like nitrous. So my setup will be:

MPI
Microtech
J&S

Doesn't the microtech have extra outputs to control an alky/water injection sysytem? I thought I remember there being other outputs. Does that injection setup require more then 1 output to make it work?

 

[igdrasil]

Doesn't the microtech have extra outputs to control an alky/water injection sysytem? I thought I remember there being other outputs. Does that injection setup require more then 1 output to make it work?

Yes it does...Im going to use the microtech extra injector map for extra injectors, the mpi will be only used for alcohol/water injection...

what im going to use its the plain smt6, its cheaper.

Im going to buy it because plans rigth now is a built 323 and to also hookup the Protege5 but with low boost...maybe use the turbokit that yeller is selling.

i just got the 323, the spare engine and trans, the LT10s. I just need to contact Beau to send him the rest of the money of my forged stuff.

 

[MPNick]

would cause some puddeling when put closer then 2.5 inches to something(intercooler pipe).

Well with your test you would be right.

The problem with your test is it is not based on real world. You did not place it into a tube with air speed around 2500 FPM min and with boost pressure. Again facts work great. Now if your claim is correct why has no one blown a plug or fried a piston due to this so called imbalanced fuel flow? Some people have been running the very same set for almost two years. In a turbo engine you would have lost a plug or a piston by now.