MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[Turbo Matty P]

Bigg Tim, have you not read any of Nick's posts where he says he has no dyno charts or numbers yet? He is working on driveability and performance now. This is a work in progress. He only started this thread to answer questions about a product that will be released in several months. From the beginning Nick has said there are no concrete numbers. He claims it will make power based on the amount of control he will have over the ECU and it was compared to the stock ECU. I believe him 100%. Look at how smooth and effective Hondas are and then look at the Hondata ECU's...they make huge power from only tuning....and their ECU is great to start with. Nick only needs time to perfect this and get it out to us. Harrassing him (MPNick) and asking YET AGAIN for more dyno numbers only takes time away from his work.

 

[Little Beavis]

Vik,
There is no need any longer for any "devices". The FM voltage clamp is really a great unit, (i know that is not what you have) and so are the MIL eliminators. BUTthe system will run as it is supposed to from the factory. The difference is that you have complete control OVER ANY parameter. We run the car like a stock ECU and much better. The "resistor " you speak of is just a "fix" to keep you going so as not to be annoyed by the MIL and cause the ECU to eventually go into limp mode. All you need is the harness and ECU your car originally came with.

The unit will not interfere with the OBDII. It will not clear any codes.
The unit though, most likely will never set a code from its functions.
It will be a seperate system.

Please explain this at least for my benefit. If you do away with a MIL eliminator on the second cat how will you not get a CEL?

 

[Equinox]

Please explain this at least for my benefit. If you do away with a MIL eliminator on the second cat how will you not get a CEL?

I also wonder the effect of my MIL eliminator on the AEM aswell, or if I have to take it off and get a check engine light, seeing as with a turbo mani I'm not runnin a cat

 

[Ljspeed]

Nick,

I am very excited and interested in the parallel. Ive read enough and many peeps have been asking great questions to satisfy my concerns. Now off the EMS a little... would I need to PM you about a built short block? I am very interested in that as well and had some detailed questions on it.

 

[perfworks]

Hi Nick,

In one of your previous posts you said that you would post the price of the injectors. Can you please give the prices of the different sizes. Also, did you get my email about the forged internals we were discussing.

Thanks

Helo all, TDK included and all those who have been patient.
I have been away for a day or so on business. I will be away for a few days as I finish up some personal business and will return again on sunday. But before I go I will be answering all your questions.

TDK, I did get your PM and working on a price structure for you. This afternoon before I head out I will get back to you.

Your injector sizes and pricing is as follows for now: There may be a slight increase , but I will go into more detail once we do our GB pricing in the comming weeks by March 1rst.
440cc
550cc
650cc are all $385 for the set. I will howvwer again confirm this once we are all set with the unit. BUT by this week I will have some more info on the injectors. That way you all can be prepared.
Anything above 700cc will be about $100 an injector.
Hope that helps for now.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Nick, how much HP will the stock injectors flow? I'm just checking to make sure I'll be able to hit my goals on stock injectors. If I need to step up a little $385 is a great price! It looks like my grocery list keeps getting longer!!

 

[perfworks]

Bigg Tim, have you not read any of Nick's posts where he says he has no dyno charts or numbers yet? He is working on driveability and performance now. This is a work in progress. He only started this thread to answer questions about a product that will be released in several months. From the beginning Nick has said there are no concrete numbers. He claims it will make power based on the amount of control he will have over the ECU and it was compared to the stock ECU. I believe him 100%. Look at how smooth and effective Hondas are and then look at the Hondata ECU's...they make huge power from only tuning....and their ECU is great to start with. Nick only needs time to perfect this and get it out to us. Harrassing him (MPNick) and asking YET AGAIN for more dyno numbers only takes time away from his work.

I appreciate your help. I sometimes dont have the time to reitterate points I made pages ago.
We havent made any claims. If everyone would revert to our original post that states we feel comfotable talking about a product(s) that we are working on for the community. I have not and WILL NOT mention the poeple involved in making this a reality,TILL we are done with R&D. The R&D is scheduled to finish at the end of this month for many applications. So far we are on target.
If for some reason we are running ahead of schedule or behind we will inform the members here as to any delays or updates.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

sounds good....BTW....any dyno numbers yet??!?!

hahaha!

 

[perfworks]

I also wonder the effect of my MIL eliminator on the AEM aswell, or if I have to take it off and get a check engine light, seeing as with a turbo mani I'm not runnin a cat

The important thing to remeber is that if you are running catless, then no matter what I and AEM CANT help you in that regard. If however you are running at least One cat we will give specific instructions as to how to avoid the system monitoring and sending a CEL.
I'm sorry Beavis but I WILL NOT go into HOW we run the system as of yet. I will allow others to spend time and money to figure it out on their own. When the unit is ready for the market we will go into more specifics then. At that point I will see if the nature in which we configure our unit, will interfere with any policies we may have with sharing R&D information. BUT at this point there are too many hows and not why's. That shows others can use much of our info to their advantage. We will not jeopordize out project in this manner.

 

[perfworks]

Nick,

I am very excited and interested in the parallel. Ive read enough and many peeps have been asking great questions to satisfy my concerns. Now off the EMS a little... would I need to PM you about a built short block? I am very interested in that as well and had some detailed questions on it.

PM me and I will send you some information on our built shortblocks. They are ready as we speak.

 

[perfworks]

Nick, how much HP will the stock injectors flow? I'm just checking to make sure I'll be able to hit my goals on stock injectors. If I need to step up a little $385 is a great price! It looks like my grocery list keeps getting longer!!

The stock fuel system will not hold more than 200WHP for long. There are many things you can do to increase your chances but IMHO they should be upgraded. AGAIN there are many opinions on this topic. I am looking at it from a logical standpoint. I dont like stretching the margin with just fuel pressure.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

you think I could step up to a slightly larger injector and just turn the pulse down a bit? This would give me the room to grow but not run rich....

 

[Little Beavis]

The important thing to remeber is that if you are running catless, then no matter what I and AEM CANT help you in that regard. If however you are running at least One cat we will give specific instructions as to how to avoid the system monitoring and sending a CEL.
I'm sorry Beavis but I WILL NOT go into HOW we run the system as of yet. I will allow others to spend time and money to figure it out on their own. When the unit is ready for the market we will go into more specifics then. At that point I will see if the nature in which we configure our unit, will interfere with any policies we may have with sharing R&D information. BUT at this point there are too many hows and not why's. That shows others can use much of our info to their advantage. We will not jeopordize out project in this manner.

All I asked was how you would get rid of the CEL. But if you do it with one cat in place, I know how to do that, I've had that solution since I installed my turbo! So, there is no R&D to be had there, I posted that solution a year ago when someone asked!

Not to start a pissing match, but when other people made statements like you did above, you and a bunch of others jumped all over them! I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to get equal treatment for everyone. I've talked / worked with Spool, MPI, FM, Wagner (briefly), Perf, and Hiboost, so I'm not playing favorites, never have, never will. . .just want some fair and ethical treatment on this board. . .I don't think that is too much to ask. I just think it is funny that you (perf) are treated so much differently by your "faithful". They support you every word like the gospel. Just an independent observation!

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I've known Nick for a while. Ever since I was building my first turbo ford motor. That is why I trust his work.

 

[mazda2002]

Perfworks-I have no experience with any computer tuning and I plan on getting a turbo eventually, but not before this summer.

1-I would probably try and benefit from the GB and I was wondering what kind of lap-top was required for adjustments on this sisten, i understand it only runs with win98 and up, but I don't want to spend too much money on a laptop(does speed matter?)

2-I was also wondering if an addition of boost or of forged internals ment that I had to give the computer back so you could reprogram it?

3-If so are there fees to do this?

PS:I know you talked about something with maps beeing downloded earlier, but I just finished reading 27 pages of posts and have no idea what you ment.

 

[hukster00]

Perfworks-I have no experience with any computer tuning and I plan on getting a turbo eventually, but not before this summer.

1-I would probably try and benefit from the GB and I was wondering what kind of lap-top was required for adjustments on this sisten, i understand it only runs with win98 and up, but I don't want to spend too much money on a laptop(does speed matter?)

2-I was also wondering if an addition of boost or of forged internals ment that I had to give the computer back so you could reprogram it?

3-If so are there fees to do this?

PS:I know you talked about something with maps beeing downloded earlier, but I just finished reading 27 pages of posts and have no idea what you ment.

1- any computer shoud do it, dosent have to be top of the line

2-no you dont have to give the ecu back, all you have to do i load the new maps , or datalog and send the log to pref and he will ajust the maps and send it back to you

3-free

 

[perfworks]

Perfworks-I have no experience with any computer tuning and I plan on getting a turbo eventually, but not before this summer.

1-I would probably try and benefit from the GB and I was wondering what kind of lap-top was required for adjustments on this sisten, i understand it only runs with win98 and up, but I don't want to spend too much money on a laptop(does speed matter?)

2-I was also wondering if an addition of boost or of forged internals ment that I had to give the computer back so you could reprogram it?

3-If so are there fees to do this?

PS:I know you talked about something with maps beeing downloded earlier, but I just finished reading 27 pages of posts and have no idea what you ment.

1. No , you dont need anything special. A good bit of ram would be nice, but not necessary. Also as long as it is 98 and above windows capatible, and a seral cable or converter.
2. I will obviously go into this again. NO offense to you but because of some BS rambling on other threads. SOME seem not to understand how the ECU will be programmed and can and will be self corrected for optimal output. BUT I will get back to this once I get back in town after this weekend.
3. There will never be any labor or cost associated with software or hardware upgrades for the unit once bought. ONLY if you decide to upgarde vehicle components will you need to purchase anything. For example if you plan to do boost control with the unit you will need an aftermarket solenoid for control.

 

[perfworks]

1- any computer shoud do it, dosent have to be top of the line

2-no you dont have to give the ecu back, all you have to do i load the new maps , or datalog and send the log to pref and he will ajust the maps and send it back to you

3-free

Thank you for helping while I was away. It is very appreciated

 

[perfworks]

I have been away for a few days and in that time I have seen ALOT of BS thrown around this forum. It is sad but I can not control it. I am in no way interested in the BS threads out there nor will I respond to them anylonger. So for those who are only interested in asking questions and advise on their project I am here. I and Andrew will always just post about our products and the work we do to help here. I should have taken a good friends advice a while ago, and just mind my own work. BUT I didnt. I like to help those on this forum and it seems that some will stop at nothing to discredit that. Whether it be will subtle jabs like " no offense to blah blah" Whatever. So I will only help when asked. I will only respond to people that need help. In the end we will show what we can and cannot do. At that point those who doubted and have nothing positive to add to this forum will not have too much to say. It will be a good day.
It's a shame because we love this forum but some people ruin it for the whole bunch.
So I will be back in the beginning of the week and give updates. If anyone needs anything , ALL the PMs will be answered and cleared. So I can be reached again. For anyone who has any questions and would like to speak to me in person. Feel free to PM me for contact info.
Thanks

 

[perfworks]

All I asked was how you would get rid of the CEL. But if you do it with one cat in place, I know how to do that, I've had that solution since I installed my turbo! So, there is no R&D to be had there, I posted that solution a year ago when someone asked!

Not to start a pissing match, but when other people made statements like you did above, you and a bunch of others jumped all over them! I'm not defending anyone, I'm just trying to get equal treatment for everyone. I've talked / worked with Spool, MPI, FM, Wagner (briefly), Perf, and Hiboost, so I'm not playing favorites, never have, never will. . .just want some fair and ethical treatment on this board. . .I don't think that is too much to ask. I just think it is funny that you (perf) are treated so much differently by your "faithful". They support you every word like the gospel. Just an independent observation!

This will be my only responce to this on this thread and other threads to you.

I am not sure what it is you have come up with a "year ago" . If you mean to place the O2 after the second or only cat then so be it. I always thought that it was obvious and not an idea someone came up with. BUT I guess Im wrong again. As far as the solution we give to the customer, that is part of it. We do have a couple of other solutions for the O2 MIL. Congrats if you patented those too.

As far as the rest of your post goes, I used to have more respect for you on this forum than many others. I dont know why the big problem lately. But you are entitled to your opinion. If you have anything constructive to add to this thread please continue to post, otherwise please refrain. If you have anything against me you would like to talk about please fell free to contact me and I would be more than happy to talk it over. If not sorry, cant help in any other way.
Good day
Thanks