MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[perfworks]

you think I could step up to a slightly larger injector and just turn the pulse down a bit? This would give me the room to grow but not run rich....

Yes you can run a slightly larger injector like a 440cc. It will idle cleanly and pass emmisions with no problem. It will give you a great reserve at stock fuel pressure and pump specs.

 

[ViksMSP]

Alright! I got another one!!
How about the wideband option? That's going to replace the o2 sensor and I'm assuming will plug into the aem, is that going to pull a cel? or will that just show figures as they are and tell the ecu to shut up? I'm a bit confused here. Also, i haven't looked at my protege's injector location, and it's raining now, but are they easy to get to like in a civic? or are they from the bottom of the manifold and i'll have to take the mani off before being able to get to them?

Thanks,
Vik.

 

[MPNick]

Yes you can run a slightly larger injector like a 440cc. It will idle cleanly and pass emmisions with no problem. It will give you a great reserve at stock fuel pressure and pump specs.

According to Russ at RC Engineering, 440cc injectors are good for 255 flywheel hp. That would be about 215 whp. Here is the link to do your own math.

http://www.rceng.com/technical.htm


Thanks again


Later.......Nick

 

[Little Beavis]

This will be my only responce to this on this thread and other threads to you.

I am not sure what it is you have come up with a "year ago" . If you mean to place the O2 after the second or only cat then so be it. I always thought that it was obvious and not an idea someone came up with. BUT I guess Im wrong again. As far as the solution we give to the customer, that is part of it. We do have a couple of other solutions for the O2 MIL. Congrats if you patented those too.

As far as the rest of your post goes, I used to have more respect for you on this forum than many others. I dont know why the big problem lately. But you are entitled to your opinion. If you have anything constructive to add to this thread please continue to post, otherwise please refrain. If you have anything against me you would like to talk about please fell free to contact me and I would be more than happy to talk it over. If not sorry, cant help in any other way.
Good day
Thanks

Well obviously I've gotten your panties in a bunch. That wasn't the point.

I never said I patented anything, just that you could eliminate the second O2 CEL very easily. . .so we obviously agree on that one!

And if you've "had more respect". . .that means I've lost it by asking questions. . .and now I must refrain from doing so. . .how was I not being constructive? Maybe we're all being too defensive. We all need to chill. . .

Have I been "perfect"? Hell no. . .but no one on here has been. . .so be it.

I sincerely wish you the best on your project. I have and will continue to hope that it does everything you say it does (I will not benefit in any way from it if it works or doesn't work. . .so if you - or anyone else - thinks I'm on a mission. . .that is not the case). PEACE!

 

[hukster00]

so acording to the 440cc good for 215whp, so how come some people make 200whp+ on stock in jectors, if they do that that means no good ? but yet people run 10+ psi with mods wich put them above 200whp

 

[MPNick]

so acording to the 440cc good for 215whp, so how come some people make 200whp+ on stock in jectors, if they do that that means no good ? but yet people run 10+ psi with mods wich put them above 200whp

They may add more fuel pressure or they may run the injectors in one batch. Go to the RC site and punch up the numbers. Also on a dyno you can run very high injector duty cycles. It is on the street where the high duty cycles will hurt you. See what you need to make the power you are looking for. Take 16% from the number you get to come up with your WHP.




Thanks again


Later....................Nick

 

[Bigg Tim]

I have been away for a few days and in that time I have seen ALOT of BS thrown around this forum. It is sad but I can not control it. I am in no way interested in the BS threads out there nor will I respond to them anylonger. So for those who are only interested in asking questions and advise on their project I am here. I and Andrew will always just post about our products and the work we do to help here. I should have taken a good friends advice a while ago, and just mind my own work. BUT I didnt. I like to help those on this forum and it seems that some will stop at nothing to discredit that. Whether it be will subtle jabs like " no offense to blah blah" Whatever. So I will only help when asked. I will only respond to people that need help. In the end we will show what we can and cannot do. At that point those who doubted and have nothing positive to add to this forum will not have too much to say. It will be a good day.
It's a shame because we love this forum but some people ruin it for the whole bunch.
So I will be back in the beginning of the week and give updates. If anyone needs anything , ALL the PMs will be answered and cleared. So I can be reached again. For anyone who has any questions and would like to speak to me in person. Feel free to PM me for contact info.
Thanks

Yeah there has been a lot of BS, but why are you changing your tune now? You just showed how your view of things changes with the wind. You contradicted your own posts a while ago. You said then, that when you work for someone you have to say certain things. Well, how do people know this is not the case now?

You were all about the xtra injectors and piggyback before, but now you're all about the stand alones and such. What's the deal? I think people need to know why you think your pevious posts were so wrong, since you ONLY provide facts here!

I would be great if the AEM did work, that way there will be that many more options for people. But to say you feal this is the best way to go now, when you said the MPI was the best then, how are people to know which OPINION is true? You are all about facts, yet you have posted none. How about some consistancy!

 

[igdrasil]

as I said before:

You should have waited until releasing the AEM...

 

[PaulMP3]

as I said before:

You should have waited until releasing the AEM...

I agree... No sense in causing arguments when the product isnt available yet. Once it is released all speculation can end, and we can all see facts.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

i used to think the SRT-4 was s***....then I got to work with them....drive them...see them race,.....now my opinion of them has changed..Perfworks isn't allowed to change his opinion after spending a lot of time with a certain product??

Wow, Then I guess the world really is flat. Once you've thought something was true for long ewnough it must make it true huh?? Well, at least its good to know the moon is still made of cheese.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Yeah, it might have been smarter to post about the AEM when the results from the test vehicle (2 to 3 weeks from the start of this thread, 1-30-2004) were ready. Perfworks, just a suggestion I guess. You were making us all drool with the MPI tuner for months before it finally came out, and the S-AFC with "just a week longer, folks!" etc. People get impatient, people get upset! If you wait til its ready. You post some figures, a price, and "SO WHO WANTS THIS!!?!? WERE TAKING ORDERS NOW!!!!" People's jaws drop, shell out the money...

Chris

 

[MPNick]

Yes you can run a slightly larger injector like a 440cc. It will idle cleanly and pass emmisions with no problem. It will give you a great reserve at stock fuel pressure and pump specs.

This is correct. I stated 300 WHP because of the additional enrichment you would receive with the boost compensation on the FPR. 550cc are the best way to go for the protege in my opinion.
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I would go withat least 550cc.
650 cc would be ideal for those who plan on going forged or are already and would like more boost.
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" Underestimation is the key to all unsuccesful people " Anon
" Never argue with an idiot.. they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" Anon

What is the right injector to use for power and passing the IM240 or the BAR 90?


Thanks again


Later..............Nick

 

[Bigg Tim]

used to think the SRT-4 was s***....then I got to work with them....drive them...see them race,.....now my opinion of them has changed..Perfworks isn't allowed to change his opinion after spending a lot of time with a certain product??

Wow, Then I guess the world really is flat. Once you've thought something was true for long ewnough it must make it true huh?? Well, at least its good to know the moon is still made of cheese.

Change his opinion, YES. But according to him, he only posts facts! How can actual facts change?

 

[perfworks]

Yeah, it might have been smarter to post about the AEM when the results from the test vehicle (2 to 3 weeks from the start of this thread, 1-30-2004) were ready. Perfworks, just a suggestion I guess. You were making us all drool with the MPI tuner for months before it finally came out, and the S-AFC with "just a week longer, folks!" etc. People get impatient, people get upset! If you wait til its ready. You post some figures, a price, and "SO WHO WANTS THIS!!?!? WERE TAKING ORDERS NOW!!!!" People's jaws drop, shell out the money...

Chris

The AEM was not released yet. We haven't said we were releasing it yet till we are done with R&D. From the beginning I have said we are comfortable talking about what we are working on.
The AFC we said on many threads after the fact that we were NOT going to release our version. It wasnt worth it. The piggyback was expensive for what it can do. If that was missed by a few then I apoligize.
The MPI tuner was not what was originally expected from me. I was promoting it via info I was given to say. After much R&D the unit did not perform the way it should have at the time. I have not and will not endorse or rely on any piggybacks ever. I have worked with many these passed 6 months. I would think that a potential customer would be interetsed in a vendor that has experience with many units.
Again the final result will be the test. I guess we all shall see soon.


To everyone else. This thread is not about any other units, vendors or opinions. So please refrain from posting unless it pertains to the products we are producing for the community.

Chris, I highlighted your post only as an example. Not directed toward you personally.
Thanks

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Bigg Tim, from the beginning of this thread Nick said he "FELT" like this was the best "overall package"....it's not the best overall unit, but it's the best bang-for-the-buck...I'm only putting words in his mouth, but maybe he felt another product could do more useless features but since people rarely use them this new AEM is a better choice.


Makes sense to me, but I'm the forum jackass so what do I know?

 

[perfworks]

On another note, some have mentioned money many times. THIS has NOTHING to do with money that can or cannot be made. I have always done this for advancement of the community. Many who know me know this to be true. For others it is hard to comprehend.
Interesting why I wouldn't go with a unit that had a greater profit margin HUH?

 

[low_psi]

i've got nothing but time. keep up the R&D perf and wagner! shake 'em haters off.... right?

 

[perfworks]

i've got nothing but time. keep up the R&D perf and wagner! shake 'em haters off.... right?

You got that right. (yes)

 

[Turbo Matty P]

i wouldn't care if you made a thousand dollars off each unit as long as the product you delivered was worth what I paid for it!! and THATS how business is suppsoed to be done!!

From what I've heard from people I trust....it'll be worth whatever you andy decide to charge. I think with everything I'll be buying from you two that you'll make some money off me!

 

[perfworks]

i wouldn't care if you made a thousand dollars off each unit as long as the product you delivered was worth what I paid for it!! and THATS how business is suppsoed to be done!!

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This is how we work. Hard work shows everday from the people we deal with already. It will become very interesting soon Matty, Trust me.